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		By: sailor		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sailor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pirates of old wee the first progressive democrats. They could change the captain at anytime (except during action) by vote, (one man one vote), Black and white were treated equally, and the captain only earned twice as much as the sailor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pirates of old wee the first progressive democrats. They could change the captain at anytime (except during action) by vote, (one man one vote), Black and white were treated equally, and the captain only earned twice as much as the sailor.</p>
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		By: Paul Murray		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534269</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, within this context, it does seem that some or all of the &quot;Volunteer Coastguard&quot; has specialized a bit more in high ticket ransom&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or, to put it another way, they charge an entry tax for ships entering their national waters, and impound vessels until the tax is paid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course, within this context, it does seem that some or all of the &#8220;Volunteer Coastguard&#8221; has specialized a bit more in high ticket ransom</p></blockquote>
<p>Or, to put it another way, they charge an entry tax for ships entering their national waters, and impound vessels until the tax is paid.</p>
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		By: Troublesome Frog		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534268</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, FARC supposedly still has some political goals buried in it somewhere, but from the outside it&#039;s awfully difficult to distinguish it from any other organized crime outfit.  Being a simple criminal is a lot more profitable than having political ideals.  I can see how it usually wins out in the long run.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, FARC supposedly still has some political goals buried in it somewhere, but from the outside it&#8217;s awfully difficult to distinguish it from any other organized crime outfit.  Being a simple criminal is a lot more profitable than having political ideals.  I can see how it usually wins out in the long run.</p>
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		By: Askari		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534267</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Somalis would be who to hire.  This is how these things work.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Somalis would be who to hire.  This is how these things work.  </p>
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		By: Rowan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534266</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I truly hope the international governments heed these words of wisdom.  From an &lt;a 0=&quot;href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-somalia-pirates15-2009apr15,0,165660.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; in the L.A. Times tonight:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Pirates have learned from experience that foreign naval ships won&#039;t follow them into Somali waters.

&quot;But as Somalis, we don&#039;t hesitate to track them down on land,&quot; said M.A. Jama, chief executive at Dalkom, a telecommunications provider that has been combating pirate attacks as it attempts to lay underwater cables. One of his European shipping contractors wants to arrange for a French naval escort to guard its boats, but Jama is trying to convince it that Somali security guards would be a better deterrent.

&quot;If pirates see Somalis, they know when they get ashore, those guys will be waiting for them,&quot; Jama said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly hope the international governments heed these words of wisdom.  From an <a 0="href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-somalia-pirates15-2009apr15,0,165660.story" rel="nofollow">article</a> in the L.A. Times tonight:</p>
<blockquote><p>Pirates have learned from experience that foreign naval ships won&#8217;t follow them into Somali waters.</p>
<p>&#8220;But as Somalis, we don&#8217;t hesitate to track them down on land,&#8221; said M.A. Jama, chief executive at Dalkom, a telecommunications provider that has been combating pirate attacks as it attempts to lay underwater cables. One of his European shipping contractors wants to arrange for a French naval escort to guard its boats, but Jama is trying to convince it that Somali security guards would be a better deterrent.</p>
<p>&#8220;If pirates see Somalis, they know when they get ashore, those guys will be waiting for them,&#8221; Jama said.</p></blockquote>
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		By: chezjake		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534265</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chezjake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;we also know that few people grow up to become pirates without a reason.&lt;/i&gt;

One of the problems here is that many of these pirates haven&#039;t grown up yet -- most are still teens. They&#039;ve been recruited, indoctrinated and directed by &quot;elders&quot; who never leave shore and who promise them a cut of any ransom they generate. Until we do something about those elders nothing will change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>we also know that few people grow up to become pirates without a reason.</i></p>
<p>One of the problems here is that many of these pirates haven&#8217;t grown up yet &#8212; most are still teens. They&#8217;ve been recruited, indoctrinated and directed by &#8220;elders&#8221; who never leave shore and who promise them a cut of any ransom they generate. Until we do something about those elders nothing will change.</p>
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		By: Rowan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534264</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was curious about where ransom money was being utilized when paid.  I came across &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wwenglish.com/en/voa/stan/2008/12/2008122529308.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an interview&lt;/a&gt; with a &quot;pirate&quot; from December 2008 on a VOA news site.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Kahiye continued, insisting that no money is ever given to the Shabab. He said all of the money ends up being spent on recruiting new pirates and buying houses, cars, and huge quantities of a mildly narcotic leaf called khat, which is chewed by many Somali men.

Kahiye said he believes some investors pay bribes to local, regional, and government officials to look the other way. Kahiye acknowledged he does not fully know how investors spend their portion of the ransom payments.

Hobyo, like the village of Haradhere to the south, are currently under the control of Islamist fighters belonging to the Shabab and another rival group made up of more moderate Islamists. Both groups are firmly opposed to piracy, calling it an offense against Islam. In 2006, Islamic courts officials implemented strict Islamic laws, which briefly stopped piracy in Somalia.
   
Well-placed Somali sources told VOA that while it is unlikely that investors and pirates are willingly handing over millions of dollars to hard-line Islamist leaders who have vowed to stop piracy, it is possible that they do pay some protection money to local Shabab commanders and other low-level Islamist officials to keep them from interfering in piracy operations. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious about where ransom money was being utilized when paid.  I came across <a href="http://www.wwenglish.com/en/voa/stan/2008/12/2008122529308.htm" rel="nofollow">an interview</a> with a &#8220;pirate&#8221; from December 2008 on a VOA news site.</p>
<blockquote><p>Kahiye continued, insisting that no money is ever given to the Shabab. He said all of the money ends up being spent on recruiting new pirates and buying houses, cars, and huge quantities of a mildly narcotic leaf called khat, which is chewed by many Somali men.</p>
<p>Kahiye said he believes some investors pay bribes to local, regional, and government officials to look the other way. Kahiye acknowledged he does not fully know how investors spend their portion of the ransom payments.</p>
<p>Hobyo, like the village of Haradhere to the south, are currently under the control of Islamist fighters belonging to the Shabab and another rival group made up of more moderate Islamists. Both groups are firmly opposed to piracy, calling it an offense against Islam. In 2006, Islamic courts officials implemented strict Islamic laws, which briefly stopped piracy in Somalia.</p>
<p>Well-placed Somali sources told VOA that while it is unlikely that investors and pirates are willingly handing over millions of dollars to hard-line Islamist leaders who have vowed to stop piracy, it is possible that they do pay some protection money to local Shabab commanders and other low-level Islamist officials to keep them from interfering in piracy operations. </p></blockquote>
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		By: jj		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534263</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Greg, it looks like something is askew here, I see both the Nigerian Oil post as both the next and previous Post, which leads to a loop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg, it looks like something is askew here, I see both the Nigerian Oil post as both the next and previous Post, which leads to a loop.</p>
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		By: natural cynic		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534262</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natural cynic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would be curious to know what percentage of the ships attacked by the Somali pirates were actually fishing trawlers and waste dumpers?    
And have the activities of the trawlers and dumpers been greatly diminished?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be curious to know what percentage of the ships attacked by the Somali pirates were actually fishing trawlers and waste dumpers?<br />
And have the activities of the trawlers and dumpers been greatly diminished?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/04/14/pirate-perspective-arrrrrr/#comment-534261</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Somali government for what it is worth has tried to ban foreign fishing vessels.  I once had a long conversation about this with the Somali ministry of fishing.  He had a very good plan in mind and it was almost implemented.  

The bad news is that he is now a cab driver in Minneapolis.  

Yes, the nuclear dumping is real.  Of course its real.  Where do you think this shit goes?  

Russell:  I don&#039;t think the current pirates taking big ships and hostages are the same as the &quot;volunteer coast guard&quot; but it does seam a reasonable hypothesis that they are an outgrowth.  Obviously, this is complex.

Yes, the US and various European countries are going to have to go in and fix this problem that they have created.  Denying that we have created this problem will be the first reaction, but I hope we can just get past that quickly and get on to doing the right thing for once. 

(Whatever that is.....)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Somali government for what it is worth has tried to ban foreign fishing vessels.  I once had a long conversation about this with the Somali ministry of fishing.  He had a very good plan in mind and it was almost implemented.  </p>
<p>The bad news is that he is now a cab driver in Minneapolis.  </p>
<p>Yes, the nuclear dumping is real.  Of course its real.  Where do you think this shit goes?  </p>
<p>Russell:  I don&#8217;t think the current pirates taking big ships and hostages are the same as the &#8220;volunteer coast guard&#8221; but it does seam a reasonable hypothesis that they are an outgrowth.  Obviously, this is complex.</p>
<p>Yes, the US and various European countries are going to have to go in and fix this problem that they have created.  Denying that we have created this problem will be the first reaction, but I hope we can just get past that quickly and get on to doing the right thing for once. </p>
<p>(Whatever that is&#8230;..)</p>
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