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		By: Double Glazing		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533400</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most babies will have no difficulty switching back and forth between the breast and bottle if you time it right and go slowly at the beginning. You may find though, that baby does show a preference for one or the other. Just like anyone else, babies will have opinions and preferences. In most cases though, this wonâ??t lead to refusal of either the breast or the bottle in the long term.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most babies will have no difficulty switching back and forth between the breast and bottle if you time it right and go slowly at the beginning. You may find though, that baby does show a preference for one or the other. Just like anyone else, babies will have opinions and preferences. In most cases though, this wonâ??t lead to refusal of either the breast or the bottle in the long term.</p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533399</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that we may well have read a very different article, because Rosin isn&#039;t advocating against breast feeding at all - she is advocating against the batshit crazy and non-evidence based assertions that are regularly made about breastfeeding.  Yup, breastfeeding is pretty ideal for several reasons, but it is not going to hurt a child to be formula fed.  

She is merely saying that the hoopla is far overblown and I absolutely concur.  She isn&#039;t not breastfeeding her third child because it&#039;s a pain in the ass, she quit doing it because it fucking her up in the head - which is not all that rare in women who already have children, especially if their other kids are rather young.

And unlike a lot of mothers, instead of just giving it up, or sucking it up and letting it cause serious damage to their head and their marriage or relationship, she actually started really looking at the evidence out there.  And not all that surprisingly, she found that the actual evidence was rather thin.  Turns out that while there are probably reasonable benefits to breastfeeding over momma milk, it isn&#039;t all it&#039;s been advertised to be.

I&#039;ll tell you a dirty little secret, if you promise not to tell my fellow hippie friends - &quot;organic&quot; isn&#039;t all it&#039;s cracked up to be either.

Totally anecdotal, but I wasn&#039;t breastfed and happen to have managed to survive rather heroic and extreme abuse of a great many drugs - hallucinogens having been my favorite.  Many of the hallucinogens I took, most in rather large quantities have the effect they do because they&#039;re neurotoxins.  Suffice to say that by any reasonable measure, I&#039;m rather exceptionally bright - even after slaughtering a great many of my brain cells.  I also happen to have rather significant neurological problems, but those run rampant in my paternal genetics - both in the paternal sibs that were formula fed like I was, and in the ones who were breast fed, like my younger sibs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we may well have read a very different article, because Rosin isn&#8217;t advocating against breast feeding at all &#8211; she is advocating against the batshit crazy and non-evidence based assertions that are regularly made about breastfeeding.  Yup, breastfeeding is pretty ideal for several reasons, but it is not going to hurt a child to be formula fed.  </p>
<p>She is merely saying that the hoopla is far overblown and I absolutely concur.  She isn&#8217;t not breastfeeding her third child because it&#8217;s a pain in the ass, she quit doing it because it fucking her up in the head &#8211; which is not all that rare in women who already have children, especially if their other kids are rather young.</p>
<p>And unlike a lot of mothers, instead of just giving it up, or sucking it up and letting it cause serious damage to their head and their marriage or relationship, she actually started really looking at the evidence out there.  And not all that surprisingly, she found that the actual evidence was rather thin.  Turns out that while there are probably reasonable benefits to breastfeeding over momma milk, it isn&#8217;t all it&#8217;s been advertised to be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you a dirty little secret, if you promise not to tell my fellow hippie friends &#8211; &#8220;organic&#8221; isn&#8217;t all it&#8217;s cracked up to be either.</p>
<p>Totally anecdotal, but I wasn&#8217;t breastfed and happen to have managed to survive rather heroic and extreme abuse of a great many drugs &#8211; hallucinogens having been my favorite.  Many of the hallucinogens I took, most in rather large quantities have the effect they do because they&#8217;re neurotoxins.  Suffice to say that by any reasonable measure, I&#8217;m rather exceptionally bright &#8211; even after slaughtering a great many of my brain cells.  I also happen to have rather significant neurological problems, but those run rampant in my paternal genetics &#8211; both in the paternal sibs that were formula fed like I was, and in the ones who were breast fed, like my younger sibs.</p>
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		By: monson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533398</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The author, Hanna Rosin, tries to make the case that the numerous studies that have proven that breastfeeding is superior infant nutrition and prevents myriad diseases and conditions like asthma and obesity, are flawed. She sets out to prove that there is very little difference between formula and breast milk and there is no reason for moms to nurse if they don&#039;t want to.

The above is a quote from the linked article.  I still say Rosin is advocating against breastfeeding because it is a pain in the ass for her.  I think that is wrong (I agree that it is a pain in the ass though, at least at times)  I don&#039;t understand why any of you are supporting her stand.  She is not one of those who tried and it didn&#039;t work.  She just doesn&#039;t want to and pretends that there is no reason to breastfeed.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author, Hanna Rosin, tries to make the case that the numerous studies that have proven that breastfeeding is superior infant nutrition and prevents myriad diseases and conditions like asthma and obesity, are flawed. She sets out to prove that there is very little difference between formula and breast milk and there is no reason for moms to nurse if they don&#8217;t want to.</p>
<p>The above is a quote from the linked article.  I still say Rosin is advocating against breastfeeding because it is a pain in the ass for her.  I think that is wrong (I agree that it is a pain in the ass though, at least at times)  I don&#8217;t understand why any of you are supporting her stand.  She is not one of those who tried and it didn&#8217;t work.  She just doesn&#8217;t want to and pretends that there is no reason to breastfeed.  </p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533397</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Read my first comment on this thread, about why my children&#039;s momma was unable to breastfeed our second child.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read my first comment on this thread, about why my children&#8217;s momma was unable to breastfeed our second child.</p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533396</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No Monson, as a matter of fact I am not.  What I am mocking, is the notion that it&#039;s really any of your damned business what another women chooses to do or not to do with her children, outside the parameters of actual abuse.

I am actually very supportive of mothers breastfeeding and have gotten rather nasty with people giving them shit for doing it in public.  The first time around, not only did momma breast feed our first child, she ended up feeding other babies here and there and ended up helping another mother who had to go back on her meds and couldn&#039;t breastfeed, by being one of the women who contributed her milk to that baby and given her problems with breastpumps, she had to feed him the old fashioned way.  Likewise, I was extremely grateful when one of our neighbors would occasionally feed our first, when momma was in school - he would have nothing to do with any sort of bottle, no matter what was in it.

But having dealt with plenty of busy body pains in my and worse, momma&#039;s ass, because she doesn&#039;t breastfeed - I am sick and damned tired of people thinking it&#039;s ok to give people crap for it.  My partner was horrified by her inability to breastfeed our second.  She finally came around, especially when she realized that he was very fond of his papa feeding him instead of her - especially in the middle of the night - he&#039;d wake up and all he wanted was me and a bottle.  And you know something?  He&#039;s perfectly healthy, all other things in his young life considered.

And I don&#039;t care that Rosin probably could have worked it out somehow, whether by taking time out of her career or making it work at work.  She (and probably her husband) made a choice for their family.  It may not be ideal for the kids, but it certainly is unlikely to actually hurt them, unless they just ignore everything the doctor has to say about it.  And while momma&#039;s milk is ideal for several reasons, there are certainly advantages to formula feeding - especially in regards to papa involvement and bonding time.

I am all for encouraging breastfeeding and countering stupid myths about it.  I am not however, for making out like the women who don&#039;t are weird or doing something horrible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Monson, as a matter of fact I am not.  What I am mocking, is the notion that it&#8217;s really any of your damned business what another women chooses to do or not to do with her children, outside the parameters of actual abuse.</p>
<p>I am actually very supportive of mothers breastfeeding and have gotten rather nasty with people giving them shit for doing it in public.  The first time around, not only did momma breast feed our first child, she ended up feeding other babies here and there and ended up helping another mother who had to go back on her meds and couldn&#8217;t breastfeed, by being one of the women who contributed her milk to that baby and given her problems with breastpumps, she had to feed him the old fashioned way.  Likewise, I was extremely grateful when one of our neighbors would occasionally feed our first, when momma was in school &#8211; he would have nothing to do with any sort of bottle, no matter what was in it.</p>
<p>But having dealt with plenty of busy body pains in my and worse, momma&#8217;s ass, because she doesn&#8217;t breastfeed &#8211; I am sick and damned tired of people thinking it&#8217;s ok to give people crap for it.  My partner was horrified by her inability to breastfeed our second.  She finally came around, especially when she realized that he was very fond of his papa feeding him instead of her &#8211; especially in the middle of the night &#8211; he&#8217;d wake up and all he wanted was me and a bottle.  And you know something?  He&#8217;s perfectly healthy, all other things in his young life considered.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t care that Rosin probably could have worked it out somehow, whether by taking time out of her career or making it work at work.  She (and probably her husband) made a choice for their family.  It may not be ideal for the kids, but it certainly is unlikely to actually hurt them, unless they just ignore everything the doctor has to say about it.  And while momma&#8217;s milk is ideal for several reasons, there are certainly advantages to formula feeding &#8211; especially in regards to papa involvement and bonding time.</p>
<p>I am all for encouraging breastfeeding and countering stupid myths about it.  I am not however, for making out like the women who don&#8217;t are weird or doing something horrible.</p>
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		By: monson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533395</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DuWayne 

You wrote &quot;Can&#039;t&quot; Why?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DuWayne </p>
<p>You wrote &#8220;Can&#8217;t&#8221; Why?</p>
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		By: Monson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533394</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Breastfeeding is good though?  right?  I mean we shouldn&#039;t argue against breastfeeding should we?  are you?  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breastfeeding is good though?  right?  I mean we shouldn&#8217;t argue against breastfeeding should we?  are you?  </p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533393</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I am sorry if I did. But if I didn&#039;t.....&lt;/i&gt;

No, no, no.  You got it right and you are totally right.  I mean how dare this foolish women have children that she can&#039;t breastfeed and a husband she can&#039;t take care of properly? (I bet she doesn&#039;t even sex him every night - horrible thing)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am sorry if I did. But if I didn&#8217;t&#8230;..</i></p>
<p>No, no, no.  You got it right and you are totally right.  I mean how dare this foolish women have children that she can&#8217;t breastfeed and a husband she can&#8217;t take care of properly? (I bet she doesn&#8217;t even sex him every night &#8211; horrible thing)</p>
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		By: Monson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533392</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sorry.  I just thought that it was not helpful for someone to publicly advocate against breastfeeding.  It is good for the babies, isn&#039;t it?   

Yea, it sucks if you can&#039;t breastfeed and people give you a hard time. My impression from the quote was that she was too busy to bother?  Why does she have three kids?  Did I get it wrong?  

I am sorry if I did. But if I didn&#039;t.....

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry.  I just thought that it was not helpful for someone to publicly advocate against breastfeeding.  It is good for the babies, isn&#8217;t it?   </p>
<p>Yea, it sucks if you can&#8217;t breastfeed and people give you a hard time. My impression from the quote was that she was too busy to bother?  Why does she have three kids?  Did I get it wrong?  </p>
<p>I am sorry if I did. But if I didn&#8217;t&#8230;..</p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/29/the-case-against-breast-feedin/#comment-533391</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why yes Monson, it is totally reasonable for people to give nasty looks to a women who baseline suffers depression and is suffering additional guilt because she &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; fucking breastfeed her baby, so we can be sure that everyone knows that if humanly possible, momma must be a milk machine.  I&#039;m convinced now.  The next time I see someone mixing a bottle of formula, I&#039;m going to scowl them down and if they ask, by gods I&#039;m gonna tell them why.

Thanks for validating my need for moral superiority over evile women who don&#039;t feed their babies the way they should.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why yes Monson, it is totally reasonable for people to give nasty looks to a women who baseline suffers depression and is suffering additional guilt because she <i>can&#8217;t</i> fucking breastfeed her baby, so we can be sure that everyone knows that if humanly possible, momma must be a milk machine.  I&#8217;m convinced now.  The next time I see someone mixing a bottle of formula, I&#8217;m going to scowl them down and if they ask, by gods I&#8217;m gonna tell them why.</p>
<p>Thanks for validating my need for moral superiority over evile women who don&#8217;t feed their babies the way they should.</p>
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