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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533094</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;MyName&quot;, the only reason I&#039;m not deleting your obnoxious and inappropriate post, in which you call me and my friends and colleagues liars and make very serious and specific accusations which are unfounded, is because I want people to see what a typical Windows fanboy looks like.  

The best you can do is insist that the data that shows that Windows sucks and all Windows symps are morons is to insist that it can&#039;t be true.  Good luck with that argument.  Good luck with spending the next hour with the Windows computer you are currently using with something annoying (to a cognizant intelligent person, not to you) happens.

Yes, Linux Users are smarter.  At least you got that right. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MyName&#8221;, the only reason I&#8217;m not deleting your obnoxious and inappropriate post, in which you call me and my friends and colleagues liars and make very serious and specific accusations which are unfounded, is because I want people to see what a typical Windows fanboy looks like.  </p>
<p>The best you can do is insist that the data that shows that Windows sucks and all Windows symps are morons is to insist that it can&#8217;t be true.  Good luck with that argument.  Good luck with spending the next hour with the Windows computer you are currently using with something annoying (to a cognizant intelligent person, not to you) happens.</p>
<p>Yes, Linux Users are smarter.  At least you got that right. </p>
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		By: MyName		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533093</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MyName]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[*shrug*

You know why &quot;Windows Apologist Jingois&quot; hate linux users so much? Because you all blatantly lie like crazy... it&#039;s bloody annoying. No one can actually TRUST what any of you say because you&#039;ve all elevated Linux to a God-like status and Microsoft to a Shit-like status (You won&#039;t even give it &quot;satan&quot;).

Anti-Virus software is pointless for &quot;Smart People&quot;, what is even more pointless is a full system scan on boot. A &quot;Smart Person&quot; really only needs to check email attachments, something that the email server can easily do.

And so long as you all refuse to optimize boot-processes, install as many &quot;non-self contained&quot; programs as possible, or blatantly attempt to fragment your boot drive... yes, you&#039;ll get long boots, but only so long as 5 min (excluding, of course, &quot;on boot antivirus scans&quot; {for pete&#039;s sake, turn that off}) (To note, XP can be optimized to a 15 - 30 second boot, so claiming it takes 25 min to do something is an obvious fabrication).

You see, what really is annoying is not that linux is faster, better, more stable, easier to use... it&#039;s that despite all that Linux Users still cheat, lie, and sabotage the tests that prove this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shrug*</p>
<p>You know why &#8220;Windows Apologist Jingois&#8221; hate linux users so much? Because you all blatantly lie like crazy&#8230; it&#8217;s bloody annoying. No one can actually TRUST what any of you say because you&#8217;ve all elevated Linux to a God-like status and Microsoft to a Shit-like status (You won&#8217;t even give it &#8220;satan&#8221;).</p>
<p>Anti-Virus software is pointless for &#8220;Smart People&#8221;, what is even more pointless is a full system scan on boot. A &#8220;Smart Person&#8221; really only needs to check email attachments, something that the email server can easily do.</p>
<p>And so long as you all refuse to optimize boot-processes, install as many &#8220;non-self contained&#8221; programs as possible, or blatantly attempt to fragment your boot drive&#8230; yes, you&#8217;ll get long boots, but only so long as 5 min (excluding, of course, &#8220;on boot antivirus scans&#8221; {for pete&#8217;s sake, turn that off}) (To note, XP can be optimized to a 15 &#8211; 30 second boot, so claiming it takes 25 min to do something is an obvious fabrication).</p>
<p>You see, what really is annoying is not that linux is faster, better, more stable, easier to use&#8230; it&#8217;s that despite all that Linux Users still cheat, lie, and sabotage the tests that prove this.</p>
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		By: jo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533092</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just chiming in here about the fact that some smaller Linux distros can have pretty amazing boot times with proper optimization. I have a cheaper Toshiba Satellite with an Intel DualCore  512MB of ram that boots Archlinux from GRUB to X in 12 seconds, counting the time it takes me to login and type startx. The same machine came with pre-installed Vista, which took about five minutes the couple of times I booted it to get to a useable desktop. 

Before that I had a Dell Inspiron 1000 with a slower Celeron and 256MB of ram. Took 40 minutes to get a useable desktop in XP, 17 seconds in Archlinux.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just chiming in here about the fact that some smaller Linux distros can have pretty amazing boot times with proper optimization. I have a cheaper Toshiba Satellite with an Intel DualCore  512MB of ram that boots Archlinux from GRUB to X in 12 seconds, counting the time it takes me to login and type startx. The same machine came with pre-installed Vista, which took about five minutes the couple of times I booted it to get to a useable desktop. </p>
<p>Before that I had a Dell Inspiron 1000 with a slower Celeron and 256MB of ram. Took 40 minutes to get a useable desktop in XP, 17 seconds in Archlinux.</p>
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		By: Ben Zvan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533091</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Zvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For What It&#039;s Worth:

Apple MacBook Pro
2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
3GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
Parallels 3 Desktop for Mac
Cold (virtual) boot of Windows
Login Screen - 0:37
Desktop - 0:46
Firefox - 1:29

Cold boot of MacOS X v10.5.6
(FileVault disk encryption enabled)
Login Screen - 0:40
Desktop - 1:49
Firefox - 2:38]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For What It&#8217;s Worth:</p>
<p>Apple MacBook Pro<br />
2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo<br />
3GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM<br />
Parallels 3 Desktop for Mac<br />
Cold (virtual) boot of Windows<br />
Login Screen &#8211; 0:37<br />
Desktop &#8211; 0:46<br />
Firefox &#8211; 1:29</p>
<p>Cold boot of MacOS X v10.5.6<br />
(FileVault disk encryption enabled)<br />
Login Screen &#8211; 0:40<br />
Desktop &#8211; 1:49<br />
Firefox &#8211; 2:38</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533090</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I felt that any Linux distribution was being developed by people who cared about making the operating system work well, as contrasted with the need to turn a profit.&lt;/em&gt;

here here!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I felt that any Linux distribution was being developed by people who cared about making the operating system work well, as contrasted with the need to turn a profit.</em></p>
<p>here here!</p>
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		By: John - de-lurking		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John - de-lurking]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I threw out all my Microsoft stuff in 1998, it wasn&#039;t about speed, but aggravation.  Linux has a different set of annoyances, but I found them easier to take than those of Windows.  Mostly, because I felt that any Linux distribution was being developed by people who cared about making the operating system work well, as contrasted with the need to turn a profit.  So I saw any shortcomings as being more acceptable.  Still, it&#039;s good to see stuff like this from time to time - I love having my prejudices confirmed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I threw out all my Microsoft stuff in 1998, it wasn&#8217;t about speed, but aggravation.  Linux has a different set of annoyances, but I found them easier to take than those of Windows.  Mostly, because I felt that any Linux distribution was being developed by people who cared about making the operating system work well, as contrasted with the need to turn a profit.  So I saw any shortcomings as being more acceptable.  Still, it&#8217;s good to see stuff like this from time to time &#8211; I love having my prejudices confirmed.</p>
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		By: george.w		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[george.w]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well John, I&#039;m just naturally grumpy and impatient with machinery.  

@Murat - Fresh install times don&#039;t mean a lot to me.  After 6 months of use matters more.

@Greg &quot;Defrag?  What&#039;s that?&quot; 

Exactly.  No credit to a machine for doing something quickly that it shouldn&#039;t have to do at all. I guess it&#039;s better than doing the unnecessary thing &lt;em&gt;slowly&lt;/em&gt;, but still... ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well John, I&#8217;m just naturally grumpy and impatient with machinery.  </p>
<p>@Murat &#8211; Fresh install times don&#8217;t mean a lot to me.  After 6 months of use matters more.</p>
<p>@Greg &#8220;Defrag?  What&#8217;s that?&#8221; </p>
<p>Exactly.  No credit to a machine for doing something quickly that it shouldn&#8217;t have to do at all. I guess it&#8217;s better than doing the unnecessary thing <em>slowly</em>, but still&#8230; </p>
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		By: jake		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jake]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The last time I experienced +45 minute boot time was in 1998, working at a local Radio Shack franchise, repairing an old Zenith(!) desktop. Damned if I remember what it was running (win 3.11?).

My 5-6yr old Dell desktop (1gb ram, 2.7ghz Intel P4, 512mb graphics) dual boots win XP and win 7 on separate hard drives. The hold, haggered, tweaked-out XP OS takes maybe 3 minutes with antivirus. The win 7 OS takes 30 seconds (w/ windows defender). I am counting the time it takes for everything to load and the processor to settle down.

That said, I am patiently awaiting a OS like Presto (linux) that is free, and a real &quot;instant on&quot; for browsing purposes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time I experienced +45 minute boot time was in 1998, working at a local Radio Shack franchise, repairing an old Zenith(!) desktop. Damned if I remember what it was running (win 3.11?).</p>
<p>My 5-6yr old Dell desktop (1gb ram, 2.7ghz Intel P4, 512mb graphics) dual boots win XP and win 7 on separate hard drives. The hold, haggered, tweaked-out XP OS takes maybe 3 minutes with antivirus. The win 7 OS takes 30 seconds (w/ windows defender). I am counting the time it takes for everything to load and the processor to settle down.</p>
<p>That said, I am patiently awaiting a OS like Presto (linux) that is free, and a real &#8220;instant on&#8221; for browsing purposes.</p>
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		By: Lassi HippelÃ¤inen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lassi HippelÃ¤inen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@John Lynch: no, it&#039;s not just admins&#039; fault, it goes higher. A company intranet has lots of stuff going on that needs to be managed. Updates, upgrades, backups, groupware, conferencing, business applications implemented with ActiveX, whatever the company management wants. All that junk must be configured properly, including security settings and group memberships. Keeping up-to-date isn&#039;t easy, because both intranet (e.g. network configuration) and personnel keep on changing all the time. The OS becomes a minor issue.

@george.w: Yes, much of the stuff can be run at night, if the machines are on-line. But my machine was a laptop that usually went where I went, including home after the day. It was off-line at night, unless I had an overseas teleconference, and during a conference I categorically refused all maintenance operations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Lynch: no, it&#8217;s not just admins&#8217; fault, it goes higher. A company intranet has lots of stuff going on that needs to be managed. Updates, upgrades, backups, groupware, conferencing, business applications implemented with ActiveX, whatever the company management wants. All that junk must be configured properly, including security settings and group memberships. Keeping up-to-date isn&#8217;t easy, because both intranet (e.g. network configuration) and personnel keep on changing all the time. The OS becomes a minor issue.</p>
<p>@george.w: Yes, much of the stuff can be run at night, if the machines are on-line. But my machine was a laptop that usually went where I went, including home after the day. It was off-line at night, unless I had an overseas teleconference, and during a conference I categorically refused all maintenance operations.</p>
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		By: Murat Arslan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/23/which-boots-faster-linux-or-wi/#comment-533085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Murat Arslan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Linux will always beat Windows when it comes to boot-up times, unless you installed some funky apps to Linux. I&#039;ve seen high-end Linux servers boot in 10 minutes.

Do you know if anyone has tested bootup speeds (and maybe test checking email too) on fresh install Linux and Windows on the same hardware? I&#039;m sure Linux will still beat, but I wonder how faster Windows boot when there&#039;s no user app installed on it.

By the way,

My home PC (AMD X2 4800, 2GB ram, several SATA disks) has XP, Vista, Linux and OpenSolaris 08.11, and Vista is the slowest, then comes XP. Just I&#039;m not sure which is the fastest, Linux or OpenSolaris. I&#039;ll check and let you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linux will always beat Windows when it comes to boot-up times, unless you installed some funky apps to Linux. I&#8217;ve seen high-end Linux servers boot in 10 minutes.</p>
<p>Do you know if anyone has tested bootup speeds (and maybe test checking email too) on fresh install Linux and Windows on the same hardware? I&#8217;m sure Linux will still beat, but I wonder how faster Windows boot when there&#8217;s no user app installed on it.</p>
<p>By the way,</p>
<p>My home PC (AMD X2 4800, 2GB ram, several SATA disks) has XP, Vista, Linux and OpenSolaris 08.11, and Vista is the slowest, then comes XP. Just I&#8217;m not sure which is the fastest, Linux or OpenSolaris. I&#8217;ll check and let you know.</p>
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