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		By: Turning Winds Page		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/11/american-like-killings-in-germ/#comment-532458</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Turning Winds Page]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 07:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It just goes to show how a simple bullying can trigger a troubled teenager into doing such crimes. Also parents who own guns should always keep in mind that it&#039;s never too safe to have guns at home, especially when you have a troubled child in your care. This should serve as a lesson for everybody.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just goes to show how a simple bullying can trigger a troubled teenager into doing such crimes. Also parents who own guns should always keep in mind that it&#8217;s never too safe to have guns at home, especially when you have a troubled child in your care. This should serve as a lesson for everybody.</p>
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		By: Azkyroth		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/11/american-like-killings-in-germ/#comment-532457</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Azkyroth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, I see, you&#039;re a sniveling weakling who thinks assertive women seeking equality are &quot;bullying&quot; you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see, you&#8217;re a sniveling weakling who thinks assertive women seeking equality are &#8220;bullying&#8221; you.</p>
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		By: threalMe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[threalMe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steph: &quot;I&#039;d suggest that male targets of bullies often have a tougher time, since they&#039;re more likely to be told to toughen up and deal with it and because the range of &quot;acceptable&quot; behavior for them hasn&#039;t broadened out at the same rate it has for females. They&#039;re also likely to get stiffer penalties&quot; 
 i am not sure if you are being anti feminiSS or not, but to say tha word &quot;BROAD-ening&quot; next to the phrase &quot;STIFFER PENaltiees&quot; I can only presume that you don&#039;t know how HARD or how LONG us wiminz haz fighted to get rid of labels like &quot;broad&quot; or what a stiff journey it haz ben fer us to get away from paternostrifictationz...we feel at times, stiff-led butt remainz vociferous, and voicetatious....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph: &#8220;I&#8217;d suggest that male targets of bullies often have a tougher time, since they&#8217;re more likely to be told to toughen up and deal with it and because the range of &#8220;acceptable&#8221; behavior for them hasn&#8217;t broadened out at the same rate it has for females. They&#8217;re also likely to get stiffer penalties&#8221;<br />
 i am not sure if you are being anti feminiSS or not, but to say tha word &#8220;BROAD-ening&#8221; next to the phrase &#8220;STIFFER PENaltiees&#8221; I can only presume that you don&#8217;t know how HARD or how LONG us wiminz haz fighted to get rid of labels like &#8220;broad&#8221; or what a stiff journey it haz ben fer us to get away from paternostrifictationz&#8230;we feel at times, stiff-led butt remainz vociferous, and voicetatious&#8230;.</p>
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		By: therealMe		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/11/american-like-killings-in-germ/#comment-532455</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steph: you better knock it off... I don&#039;t wanna hav-ta......

But s/th you don&#039;t know: going back to discussions from years ago, I have found that Azkyroth somehow tries to attach itself to my shooting star in a contrarian way--always making excuses for female bullies, and female pedophiles--so much so that I have concluded that it is a) a masochist b) a fauxminist psychophant c) a personality devoid of real world experience, and  willing to commit itself to anything that s/th with a vagina tells it to do, or say out of sheer curiosity, or desperation for affirmation as &quot;male&quot;.

Sure, their are many other such useless members out there--PZ, EdB. Pal, etc, but it is Az that haz routinely sniffed at my e-farts in order to affirm itself--I is just noting that here.But for context, you can see it (Az) over at PZ&#039;s dungeon and other places, struggling to make sense of my thral-ing world full of  strippers whory horny waitresses, and wage gap discrepancies--and falling limp.

But for you, Steph, just for questioning my &quot;aw-THORIT-AY&quot; ....
POW! 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph: you better knock it off&#8230; I don&#8217;t wanna hav-ta&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>But s/th you don&#8217;t know: going back to discussions from years ago, I have found that Azkyroth somehow tries to attach itself to my shooting star in a contrarian way&#8211;always making excuses for female bullies, and female pedophiles&#8211;so much so that I have concluded that it is a) a masochist b) a fauxminist psychophant c) a personality devoid of real world experience, and  willing to commit itself to anything that s/th with a vagina tells it to do, or say out of sheer curiosity, or desperation for affirmation as &#8220;male&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sure, their are many other such useless members out there&#8211;PZ, EdB. Pal, etc, but it is Az that haz routinely sniffed at my e-farts in order to affirm itself&#8211;I is just noting that here.But for context, you can see it (Az) over at PZ&#8217;s dungeon and other places, struggling to make sense of my thral-ing world full of  strippers whory horny waitresses, and wage gap discrepancies&#8211;and falling limp.</p>
<p>But for you, Steph, just for questioning my &#8220;aw-THORIT-AY&#8221; &#8230;.<br />
POW! </p>
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		By: threalMe		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/11/american-like-killings-in-germ/#comment-532454</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[threalMe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 04:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Azkyroth: are you still on crack? Or rare you still desperately seeking some?And for a guy who talks about &quot;meds&quot; as much as you do, can I presume you have some daily experience? Please share, dear handi-capable one!

Az, I didn&#039;t find your zombie like and castrated version of masculine agreement with  female bullies in this post per se --yet: I am basing my conclusion on EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION I have ever had with you--a cheerleader for old guard 90&#039;s identity fascio-feminism. You, a cuckolded and desperate male in search of affirmation via fauxminist rubber stamping--and I do mean stamping in your case, with or ithout a rubber. You like that, from them--if I read your other comments correctly over the last few years.

What a mindleess douche...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azkyroth: are you still on crack? Or rare you still desperately seeking some?And for a guy who talks about &#8220;meds&#8221; as much as you do, can I presume you have some daily experience? Please share, dear handi-capable one!</p>
<p>Az, I didn&#8217;t find your zombie like and castrated version of masculine agreement with  female bullies in this post per se &#8211;yet: I am basing my conclusion on EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION I have ever had with you&#8211;a cheerleader for old guard 90&#8217;s identity fascio-feminism. You, a cuckolded and desperate male in search of affirmation via fauxminist rubber stamping&#8211;and I do mean stamping in your case, with or ithout a rubber. You like that, from them&#8211;if I read your other comments correctly over the last few years.</p>
<p>What a mindleess douche&#8230;</p>
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		By: Azkyroth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Azkyroth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;@Azkyroth

Have you just accused me of gloryfiyng that piece of shit ?

His social isolation was his own fault. There wasn&#039;t a meeting where the youths in the area said &quot;Den Tim, den hassen wir jetzt&quot; (The Tim, now we hate him). He worked hard to be as despised as he was.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Compare the following statements:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Only now really seeing this: &quot;taunted and bullied&quot;

Called loser for having straight F&#039;s and E&#039;s. Not having friends because the few he had were constantly getting peppered by his airsoft guns...

Orchastrized(sp?) maybe. But his social life was that way of his own making.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;well, if you&#039;d just stop getting good grades, being indifferent to TV and clothing fads, and talking like you&#039;ve ever opened a book in your life, they&#039;d leave you alone&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(...)

&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand, one cause of the ongoing social dysfunction surrounding znd infiltrating discussions of violence and bullying that I forgot to mention is that ::appparently:: there are schools like wherever Azkyroth went, where acts of female violence, intimidation, and other socially maladaptive behavior was interpreted as positive attention directed at Azkyroth, and not violence at all.

Azkyroth is a big fan of female bullies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where in anything I&#039;ve posted in this thread did you find any reference to gender?  Have you been taking your meds?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>@Azkyroth</p>
<p>Have you just accused me of gloryfiyng that piece of shit ?</p>
<p>His social isolation was his own fault. There wasn&#8217;t a meeting where the youths in the area said &#8220;Den Tim, den hassen wir jetzt&#8221; (The Tim, now we hate him). He worked hard to be as despised as he was.</p></blockquote>
<p>Compare the following statements:</p>
<blockquote><p>Only now really seeing this: &#8220;taunted and bullied&#8221;</p>
<p>Called loser for having straight F&#8217;s and E&#8217;s. Not having friends because the few he had were constantly getting peppered by his airsoft guns&#8230;</p>
<p>Orchastrized(sp?) maybe. But his social life was that way of his own making.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;well, if you&#8217;d just stop getting good grades, being indifferent to TV and clothing fads, and talking like you&#8217;ve ever opened a book in your life, they&#8217;d leave you alone&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>(&#8230;)</p>
<blockquote><p>On the other hand, one cause of the ongoing social dysfunction surrounding znd infiltrating discussions of violence and bullying that I forgot to mention is that ::appparently:: there are schools like wherever Azkyroth went, where acts of female violence, intimidation, and other socially maladaptive behavior was interpreted as positive attention directed at Azkyroth, and not violence at all.</p>
<p>Azkyroth is a big fan of female bullies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Where in anything I&#8217;ve posted in this thread did you find any reference to gender?  Have you been taking your meds?</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[threalMe, surely you can find someone better than Azkyroth to make a target for that rant, or maybe just skip it altogether. Nobody&#039;s arguing.

In fact, I&#039;d suggest that male targets of bullies often have a tougher time, since they&#039;re more likely to be told to toughen up and deal with it and because the range of &quot;acceptable&quot; behavior for them hasn&#039;t broadened out at the same rate it has for females. They&#039;re also likely to get stiffer penalties for fighting back when they don&#039;t feel supported by peers or teachers/administration. There often just isn&#039;t any way for them to win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>threalMe, surely you can find someone better than Azkyroth to make a target for that rant, or maybe just skip it altogether. Nobody&#8217;s arguing.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;d suggest that male targets of bullies often have a tougher time, since they&#8217;re more likely to be told to toughen up and deal with it and because the range of &#8220;acceptable&#8221; behavior for them hasn&#8217;t broadened out at the same rate it has for females. They&#8217;re also likely to get stiffer penalties for fighting back when they don&#8217;t feel supported by peers or teachers/administration. There often just isn&#8217;t any way for them to win.</p>
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		By: threalMe		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/11/american-like-killings-in-germ/#comment-532451</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[threalMe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;In my daughter&#039;s grade school and middle school, the sex ratio of bullies has been about 50:50.&quot;
I am sure this ratio is about the same everywhere, and thank you for that acknowlegement.

On the other hand, one cause of the ongoing social dysfunction surrounding znd infiltrating discussions of violence and bullying that I forgot to mention is that ::appparently:: there are schools like wherever Azkyroth went, where acts of female violence, intimidation, and other socially maladaptive behavior was interpreted as positive attention directed at Azkyroth, and not violence at all.

Azkyroth is a big fan of female bullies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my daughter&#8217;s grade school and middle school, the sex ratio of bullies has been about 50:50.&#8221;<br />
I am sure this ratio is about the same everywhere, and thank you for that acknowlegement.</p>
<p>On the other hand, one cause of the ongoing social dysfunction surrounding znd infiltrating discussions of violence and bullying that I forgot to mention is that ::appparently:: there are schools like wherever Azkyroth went, where acts of female violence, intimidation, and other socially maladaptive behavior was interpreted as positive attention directed at Azkyroth, and not violence at all.</p>
<p>Azkyroth is a big fan of female bullies.</p>
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		By: Rr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DoesNotMatter &amp; Azkyroth, his social isolation may have been his fault, but where do we draw the line? Where does mental abuse end and it being their own fault start? Do both exist simultaneously? I don&#039;t have much information about this unfortunate event, but it seems to me that he had some... problems with his head, as well as being treated in a very unfortunate manner by at least one of his parents. Bullying is never right, but it&#039;s venting. He very likely wasn&#039;t working hard to be hated, just that it was a side effect of not being able to care/comprehend about a lot of things.

I apologise for the vague and confusing text, not entirely sure how to phrase my thoughts. I suppose I&#039;m trying to say that you seem to ascribe a lot more intent to the guy than what I think he had. I doubt he wanted to be where he was, he just didn&#039;t know how else to get out of there. This of course in no way excuses his actions, but I do wonder how we can prevent this sort of stuff from happening again from a human point of view, rather than gun law restrictions (since a lot of other people are more fit to discuss the latter).

I was the opposite to this kid in school, I even had people fighting over getting to be my best friend, but does that make the abuse I suffered from a very young age my own fault anyway? I didn&#039;t try to escape it, I thought I deserved it and that it was my fault. I didn&#039;t magically get unstuck at 18, a lot of scarred people don&#039;t magically stop being children when they become legally adults. Learned helplessness is a bitch, and once you&#039;re stuck there you are unlikely to be able to get out of it by yourself.

Mentally healthy individuals do not bully. I would have to argue that feeling pity is worthless, everyone has problems of their own, and what we do to help both the victims of the bullies, as well as the bullies, is more important than throwing blame, shame and pity. We no longer can help the people in this case, but hopefully even more people will now realize that warning signals are important to take seriously. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DoesNotMatter &#038; Azkyroth, his social isolation may have been his fault, but where do we draw the line? Where does mental abuse end and it being their own fault start? Do both exist simultaneously? I don&#8217;t have much information about this unfortunate event, but it seems to me that he had some&#8230; problems with his head, as well as being treated in a very unfortunate manner by at least one of his parents. Bullying is never right, but it&#8217;s venting. He very likely wasn&#8217;t working hard to be hated, just that it was a side effect of not being able to care/comprehend about a lot of things.</p>
<p>I apologise for the vague and confusing text, not entirely sure how to phrase my thoughts. I suppose I&#8217;m trying to say that you seem to ascribe a lot more intent to the guy than what I think he had. I doubt he wanted to be where he was, he just didn&#8217;t know how else to get out of there. This of course in no way excuses his actions, but I do wonder how we can prevent this sort of stuff from happening again from a human point of view, rather than gun law restrictions (since a lot of other people are more fit to discuss the latter).</p>
<p>I was the opposite to this kid in school, I even had people fighting over getting to be my best friend, but does that make the abuse I suffered from a very young age my own fault anyway? I didn&#8217;t try to escape it, I thought I deserved it and that it was my fault. I didn&#8217;t magically get unstuck at 18, a lot of scarred people don&#8217;t magically stop being children when they become legally adults. Learned helplessness is a bitch, and once you&#8217;re stuck there you are unlikely to be able to get out of it by yourself.</p>
<p>Mentally healthy individuals do not bully. I would have to argue that feeling pity is worthless, everyone has problems of their own, and what we do to help both the victims of the bullies, as well as the bullies, is more important than throwing blame, shame and pity. We no longer can help the people in this case, but hopefully even more people will now realize that warning signals are important to take seriously. </p>
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		By: DoesNotMatter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DoesNotMatter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Azkyroth

Have you just accused me of gloryfiyng that piece of shit ?

His social isolation was his own fault. There wasn&#039;t a meeting where the youths in the area said &quot;Den Tim, den hassen wir jetzt&quot; (The Tim, now we hate him). He worked hard to be as despised as he was.

As for the whole guns murder people debate: People murder people. Do some people murder because a gun enables them do to so ? YES. But most gun related murders would happen even in a world without guns since the sudden absence of guns wouldn&#039;t change human nature. 
Gang members would murder each other. Perhaps a bit less innocent bystanders, yes.
Deranged spouses would still kill their family.
And suicide is not murder. It&#039;s suicide. Yes, the two have the same root, even more obvious in german (Mord vs Selbstmord).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Azkyroth</p>
<p>Have you just accused me of gloryfiyng that piece of shit ?</p>
<p>His social isolation was his own fault. There wasn&#8217;t a meeting where the youths in the area said &#8220;Den Tim, den hassen wir jetzt&#8221; (The Tim, now we hate him). He worked hard to be as despised as he was.</p>
<p>As for the whole guns murder people debate: People murder people. Do some people murder because a gun enables them do to so ? YES. But most gun related murders would happen even in a world without guns since the sudden absence of guns wouldn&#8217;t change human nature.<br />
Gang members would murder each other. Perhaps a bit less innocent bystanders, yes.<br />
Deranged spouses would still kill their family.<br />
And suicide is not murder. It&#8217;s suicide. Yes, the two have the same root, even more obvious in german (Mord vs Selbstmord).</p>
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