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		By: Jeff Darcy		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532223</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Darcy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s definitely a social-status thing, not a technical thing.  I work at a company built around Linux, selling some of the biggest Linux systems you can buy (as opposed to engaging with a vendor for months to build something custom).  We have a lot of seriously technical people, and a few of them are Mac fans.  Why?  It&#039;s not because the Mac is technically superior, though as someone who has worked on the internals of both relevant OSes I&#039;m inclined to believe that is so.  It&#039;s for the same reason that most of these same people try so hard to live in the right neighborhoods, eat at the right restaurants, drink the right wines, and so on.  The technical or product-stability or user-interface reasons are irrelevant when the real goal is to have what the other cool kids have.  If you go to conferences where the other folks that you&#039;re trying to impress have Macs, you get a Mac.

Windows is for beer drinkers.  Macs are for wine drinkers.  Linux is for Mountain Dew drinkers.  In the majority of cases it&#039;s more about identifying with an image than anything else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s definitely a social-status thing, not a technical thing.  I work at a company built around Linux, selling some of the biggest Linux systems you can buy (as opposed to engaging with a vendor for months to build something custom).  We have a lot of seriously technical people, and a few of them are Mac fans.  Why?  It&#8217;s not because the Mac is technically superior, though as someone who has worked on the internals of both relevant OSes I&#8217;m inclined to believe that is so.  It&#8217;s for the same reason that most of these same people try so hard to live in the right neighborhoods, eat at the right restaurants, drink the right wines, and so on.  The technical or product-stability or user-interface reasons are irrelevant when the real goal is to have what the other cool kids have.  If you go to conferences where the other folks that you&#8217;re trying to impress have Macs, you get a Mac.</p>
<p>Windows is for beer drinkers.  Macs are for wine drinkers.  Linux is for Mountain Dew drinkers.  In the majority of cases it&#8217;s more about identifying with an image than anything else.</p>
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		By: JM		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532222</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I carried  a linux vaio for about 6 years until I got sick of managing the damn thing and switched to a MacBook Pro

Linux is great and I use it personally (on my servers and firewall) and professionally but the management overhead is high compared to OS X.    Even with aptget or up2date it gets tiresome having to rebuild the packages I&#039;ve come to rely on.

And OS X has un*x underlying it so when I need to do un*xy stuff my MBP is right there.

For a personal, portable machine Mac&#039;s are near perfect because you don&#039;t have the hassles.   Also, even though I&#039;ve got Parallels I&#039;ve never bothered to install Windows in the VM because I got interrupted during the installation but have never had the need to finish it.

For server side stuff I don&#039;t go past Linux (unless we&#039;re talking corporate in which case it has gotta be Solaris)


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I carried  a linux vaio for about 6 years until I got sick of managing the damn thing and switched to a MacBook Pro</p>
<p>Linux is great and I use it personally (on my servers and firewall) and professionally but the management overhead is high compared to OS X.    Even with aptget or up2date it gets tiresome having to rebuild the packages I&#8217;ve come to rely on.</p>
<p>And OS X has un*x underlying it so when I need to do un*xy stuff my MBP is right there.</p>
<p>For a personal, portable machine Mac&#8217;s are near perfect because you don&#8217;t have the hassles.   Also, even though I&#8217;ve got Parallels I&#8217;ve never bothered to install Windows in the VM because I got interrupted during the installation but have never had the need to finish it.</p>
<p>For server side stuff I don&#8217;t go past Linux (unless we&#8217;re talking corporate in which case it has gotta be Solaris)</p>
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		By: MH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532221</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave, unless you can give me some hard data on the reliability of Macs compared to non-Macs, all I seem to be getting extra if I choose Apple is an &#039;aura&#039;.

Instead of a MBP, I&#039;ll stick with a non-Mac and a big HDTV.

Big HDTV &#062; aura]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, unless you can give me some hard data on the reliability of Macs compared to non-Macs, all I seem to be getting extra if I choose Apple is an &#8216;aura&#8217;.</p>
<p>Instead of a MBP, I&#8217;ll stick with a non-Mac and a big HDTV.</p>
<p>Big HDTV &gt; aura</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532220</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave: Confirmation bias.  All current mac owners have not switched from Mac to something else.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: Confirmation bias.  All current mac owners have not switched from Mac to something else.  </p>
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		By: dave		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532219</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MH: &quot;Also, do Macs ever break in the first year?&quot;

I was warned against buying recently-introduced models; but if you get one that&#039;s been on the market for a few months and had the bugs worked out, they seem to be quite robust.
Data:  I took an informal survey before I bought my Macbook (I asked everybody I could find who had owned a Mac laptop a year before - about 8 people, so not exactly statistically significant, but is more than just a collection of anecdotes).  I found one person who had retired a five(?)-year-old iBook and replaced it with a current Macbook and one person who had replaced a stolen Macbook with the then-current model; everybody else was still using the same one they had had for a year or three.

&quot;Again, what am I getting extra when I buy the Mac?&quot;

Something that was designed by a perfectionist?
If you want big numbers at low prices, switching to a Mac won&#039;t add any value, but if you&#039;re planning on keeping it for a while and/or carrying it around a lot (y&#039;know, what laptops are allegedly built for), you&#039;re better off buying good quality hardware instead of relying on getting lucky.  If you go that way, Apple is the only company I&#039;ve found that at least attempts to build quality into their entire product line - anything else, you&#039;re looking at a high-spec $2k+ machine if you want something that&#039;s robust enough to carry around every day for a few years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MH: &#8220;Also, do Macs ever break in the first year?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was warned against buying recently-introduced models; but if you get one that&#8217;s been on the market for a few months and had the bugs worked out, they seem to be quite robust.<br />
Data:  I took an informal survey before I bought my Macbook (I asked everybody I could find who had owned a Mac laptop a year before &#8211; about 8 people, so not exactly statistically significant, but is more than just a collection of anecdotes).  I found one person who had retired a five(?)-year-old iBook and replaced it with a current Macbook and one person who had replaced a stolen Macbook with the then-current model; everybody else was still using the same one they had had for a year or three.</p>
<p>&#8220;Again, what am I getting extra when I buy the Mac?&#8221;</p>
<p>Something that was designed by a perfectionist?<br />
If you want big numbers at low prices, switching to a Mac won&#8217;t add any value, but if you&#8217;re planning on keeping it for a while and/or carrying it around a lot (y&#8217;know, what laptops are allegedly built for), you&#8217;re better off buying good quality hardware instead of relying on getting lucky.  If you go that way, Apple is the only company I&#8217;ve found that at least attempts to build quality into their entire product line &#8211; anything else, you&#8217;re looking at a high-spec $2k+ machine if you want something that&#8217;s robust enough to carry around every day for a few years.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MH, a chance to switch sides in the OS wars and snark at a whole new set of users? Don&#039;t tell me that doesn&#039;t appeal to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MH, a chance to switch sides in the OS wars and snark at a whole new set of users? Don&#8217;t tell me that doesn&#8217;t appeal to you.</p>
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		By: MH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532217</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My last Dell lasted for four years, requiring just one replacement battery (though of course the plural of &lt;em&gt;anecdote&lt;/em&gt; is not &lt;em&gt;data&lt;/em&gt;).

Also, do Macs ever break in the first year?

As for Mac Minis, they start at Â£500. I can get an HP Desktop for less than Â£400, &lt;em&gt;with a better specification&lt;/em&gt;. Again, what am I getting extra when I buy the Mac?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My last Dell lasted for four years, requiring just one replacement battery (though of course the plural of <em>anecdote</em> is not <em>data</em>).</p>
<p>Also, do Macs ever break in the first year?</p>
<p>As for Mac Minis, they start at Â£500. I can get an HP Desktop for less than Â£400, <em>with a better specification</em>. Again, what am I getting extra when I buy the Mac?</p>
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		By: dave		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MH: &quot;I&#039;ve just found an Acer with a better spec for Â£740. Are you really saying that the MBP is worth the extra?&quot;

Buy one of each.  Carry them around everywhere you go for a year.  See which one survives.
My last laptop was an Acer that went through two batteries and two motherboards in a year and a half.  My current Macbook is getting close to two years old and hasn&#039;t had any problems.
(Of course, if you&#039;re not planning on taking it with you, you can probably get a Mac Mini for less than the Acer.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MH: &#8220;I&#8217;ve just found an Acer with a better spec for Â£740. Are you really saying that the MBP is worth the extra?&#8221;</p>
<p>Buy one of each.  Carry them around everywhere you go for a year.  See which one survives.<br />
My last laptop was an Acer that went through two batteries and two motherboards in a year and a half.  My current Macbook is getting close to two years old and hasn&#8217;t had any problems.<br />
(Of course, if you&#8217;re not planning on taking it with you, you can probably get a Mac Mini for less than the Acer.)</p>
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		By: Ambaron O'Coroin		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532215</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ambaron O'Coroin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a lot that is cool about Linux. Compiz is not one of them. There is also a lot that distinguishes Linux from Mac OS X. The command-line interface isn&#039;t one of them. Many people have said interesting things about Linux. The author of these blog posts is not one of them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Anecdotes are not data, but they do make you wonder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only if you are a lazy thinker (and I&#039;m not suggesting you are).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot that is cool about Linux. Compiz is not one of them. There is also a lot that distinguishes Linux from Mac OS X. The command-line interface isn&#8217;t one of them. Many people have said interesting things about Linux. The author of these blog posts is not one of them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Anecdotes are not data, but they do make you wonder.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only if you are a lazy thinker (and I&#8217;m not suggesting you are).</p>
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		By: MH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/03/08/cool-linux/#comment-532214</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GG,

A MBP is Â£1400 from the Apple store (Â£1200 from elsewhere). I&#039;ve just found an Acer with a better spec for Â£740. Are you really saying that the MBP is worth the extra?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GG,</p>
<p>A MBP is Â£1400 from the Apple store (Â£1200 from elsewhere). I&#8217;ve just found an Acer with a better spec for Â£740. Are you really saying that the MBP is worth the extra?</p>
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