Comments on: The Bible as Ethnography ~ 05 ~ The Virgin Birth https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/ Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:52:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.6 By: Wow https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531045 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:52:16 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531045 “A virgin who never had sex was incredibly different and could definitely be a sign.”

A virgin birth was the genesis of many religions messiahs.

Like ever other mythology, this one took from other myths before it and pretended it was theirs alone.

And slaughtered anyone who disagreed. Ask the midianites.

]]> By: Tawnya Bartlett https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531044 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:11:50 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531044 make it stand and give proof it’s true. So I do and hope someday other Christians will use their mind instead of rushing to defend the Bible and making mistakes that the Bible doesn’t back up.

]]> By: Tawnya Bartlett https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531043 Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:08:46 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531043 I agree it’s a bit much to say all women were prostitute’s. I do agree that women were bought and sold thru out history. Prostitution vs marriage, is more like no responsibility for another vs responsibility for another. Prostitution and women have a negative association not because of money as you showed how both wives and prostitute’s where sold……Sex with wives was seen as being positive because a male could assume the resulting children were his, but not feel sure of this with children of prostitute’s.
More interesting would be if we had DNA then would there be the issues with prostitution?
As far as a virgin birth….. Whether Mary remained a virgin or thru a blanket down in a market place and had sex with every man she could (after Jesus’ birth) really isn’t a factor. The only reason her virginity is important is Isaiah 7:14 holds a prophecy of the virgin birth being a sign. For Jesus to be this sign, his birth had to be different in nature from other babies. A young woman giving birth is certainly not different or a sign of anything. A virgin who never had sex was incredibly different and could definitely be a sign.
After the sign was given, the retention of the virginity isn’t necessary to the prophecy. Mary could go on and bare as many children as she and Joseph could make.
An interesting thought, we now know that sex isn’t needed to produce a child. I think the conception of Jesus is interesting as the Holy Spirit or the Word of God ( having its own presence,when it goes out from God, but being part of God as our words are a form of us) is the part of God involved in the making of Jesus. I think its a thought for each to consider , how the things of earth are imperfect copies of what is in heaven. On earth a mother and father produce a child. Jesus is called the son of God and man/ mankind.
Although Christians got wrapped in proving this virgin birth, there’s a lack of questions about the copy in heaven Mary represents. I’ve not made any great theory about this but I do find much to ponder on this subject. An example would be the other name that the Spirits known by , the Comforter. As comforting is a typical female role.
I consider myself a Christian who believes Jesus is strong enough to withstand questions. The Bible tells me to investigate, to search out to

]]> By: T Crosthwaite https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531042 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:26:26 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531042 In view of your post, you may find these articles on virgin birth of interest and coming from an unusual angle

http://www.wallsofjericho.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=26

and, similarly TheologyWeb:

Forum â?? General Theistics 101
Thread â?? Does the Bible teach that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?f=160

Best to click on arrow on the right which will take you to the last post.

]]> By: god https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531041 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:11:53 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531041 dog bless you!

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]]> By: Joshua Zelinsky https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531040 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:23:07 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531040 The Real Yeshua, it isn’t clear where it came into play. By 500 c.e. or so it is pretty established as you can see by it being accepted in the Talmud. There’s some speculation that it was picked up from the Romans. It likely dates from some time in the Second Temple period in which case it was likely operative prior to the time Greg is talking about. As to ethnic classism, I really have no idea.

Greg, yes but the question of whether someone was an Israelite was quite old. Look at for example Ezra where marriage to non-Israelites is discussed. In any event, by the time of Jesus this was probably already around which was my point in regard to your statement that the maternal construction occurred later.

]]> By: the real Yeshua Ha Noze-ring https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531039 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:13:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531039 Joshua: “this business of inheriting Jewishness from the mother is a much, much later construction.” There’s actually a fair bit of debate when maternal descent came into play. However, it isn’t relevant.”

Hey Joshua when did that come into play? Would you say that it is actually a form of ethnic classism?

Isn’t relevant? It is to us common German/Russian “tillermans”versus the Kohanim…it is almost like a disconnect within the culture–sort of the Jewish version of the black issues of octoroons, quadroons, etc. It fuels the whole “Hitler/Lenin was a quarter Jewish” fires, and causes rifts where there should be peace.

Greg: “ven fairly patriarchal patrilineal societies often have a “shadow” matrline at the same time”
Would you also go so far as to say that there is also a shadow matriarchy as well?

]]> By: the real Yeshua Ha Noze-ring https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531038 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:17:27 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531038 “kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a son”
In the original Greek, the “state” of virginity was merely the legal technicality of being formally wedded versus ‘living in sin’. It had little to do with the act of coitus, or virginity as ‘hymen piercing fetish’ that the Christians have taken it to mean.

That hymen-fetish conflation with virginity comes more from Germanic tribal dictates, or the insistence of slave buyers that females from the slavic regions are ‘worth the price’ paid if they were ‘intact’ more than anything else.

]]> By: jen https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531037 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:12:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531037 When I was in my church’s elementary school, we were taught the bit about Joseph not having sex with Mary until after Christ was born. By the time I got to college (same church), they were saying that Christ’s “brothers and sisters” were actually Joseph’s children from a prior marriage. They weren’t quite coming out and saying Joseph never touched her, but neither were they saying he ever did….

]]> By: Bruce https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531036 Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:22:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/02/15/the-bible-as-ethnography-05-th-1/#comment-531036 I am not a theologian. I thought the theory of Mary remaining a virgin was a Roman Catholic dogma, not one that Protestants like myself subscribe to. What do the Eastern Orthodox and Copts believe?

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