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		By: the real Baroke Levy for llewelly		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/07/the-white-supremacists-are-won/#comment-530647</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[llewelly:

Edward Said, and his discussion in &quot;Orientalism&quot; about how the social constructs of &quot;bad Palestinian&quot; and &quot;evil Oriental&quot; were created in order to reinforce your Judeo-Christian Orientalization and oppression of &quot;other&quot; people would fill your card on three sentences out of his mouth, so your card is rigged anyways.

Conflation anyone? Or more inflation if you don&#039;t go along with the Judeo-Christian oppression game...

&quot;&quot;The question to be asked is how long can the history of anti-semitism and the Holocaust be used as a fence to exempt Israel from arguments and sanctions against it for its behavior towards the Palestinians, arguments and sanctions that were used against other repressive governments, such as South Africa? How long are we going to deny that the cries of the people of Gaza... are directly connected to the policies of the Israeli government and not to the cries of the victims of Nazism?&quot;

-Edward Said, Politics Of Dispossession (1994)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>llewelly:</p>
<p>Edward Said, and his discussion in &#8220;Orientalism&#8221; about how the social constructs of &#8220;bad Palestinian&#8221; and &#8220;evil Oriental&#8221; were created in order to reinforce your Judeo-Christian Orientalization and oppression of &#8220;other&#8221; people would fill your card on three sentences out of his mouth, so your card is rigged anyways.</p>
<p>Conflation anyone? Or more inflation if you don&#8217;t go along with the Judeo-Christian oppression game&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;The question to be asked is how long can the history of anti-semitism and the Holocaust be used as a fence to exempt Israel from arguments and sanctions against it for its behavior towards the Palestinians, arguments and sanctions that were used against other repressive governments, such as South Africa? How long are we going to deny that the cries of the people of Gaza&#8230; are directly connected to the policies of the Israeli government and not to the cries of the victims of Nazism?&#8221;</p>
<p>-Edward Said, Politics Of Dispossession (1994)</p>
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		By: llewelly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bingo? The only box - out of 25 on my sheet - which I have not yet filled due to posts by &#039;the real Baruch Goldstein&#039; is the one labeled &#039;Poster believes Third Reich still rules Antarctica, from which Goering still launches flying saucers.&#039;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo? The only box &#8211; out of 25 on my sheet &#8211; which I have not yet filled due to posts by &#8216;the real Baruch Goldstein&#8217; is the one labeled &#8216;Poster believes Third Reich still rules Antarctica, from which Goering still launches flying saucers.&#8217;</p>
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		By: the real Baruch Goldstein		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/07/the-white-supremacists-are-won/#comment-530645</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the real Baruch Goldstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[G: yeah, I just like to see the look on their face when I drop the jew cards in the matzo flour.

Well, explicit might be a bit too general, but the idea is about the founding fathers of the 1913 federal reserve act, and all of those &quot;German&quot; capitalists and back door deals that went in to effect to motivate the hillbillies of Apalachia into going to war and dying in Yerup. 

We can&#039;t forget how England, was influenced by those infamous redshields in parliament, or Barney Barnato diamonds from apartheid in S. Africa...

Sure, its fashionable to always say that &quot;international capitalists&quot; are at fault for wars, but in those days, there was a big push for oil--and a question about who had the &#039;right&#039; to conquer oil pumping nations--and Palestine looked like a good foothold, with a group of folks who claimed a &#039;right&#039; to it. A footnote then, sure, but an exclamation point today. 

The fashion is always to say that the mysterious &quot;International Capitalists&quot; are to blame for everything, and to particularly point to the known suspects amongst the goyim--Rockefeller, todays carlysle group, et al, but it is also explicit that one not mention the Jewish members of that elite group of &#039;conspirators&#039;. So I am just emphasizing the fact that Judeo incepted crimes against humanity get a pass, rather than an emphasis.

A great example of this would be to contrast what Jewish Hollywood producers routinely do with chronicles of Italian mobsters--even National Geographic picked up on the trend.

While we laugh at and mock Henry Fords crude portrayal of the &quot;Elders of Zion,&quot; meeting in clandestine quarters or the blatant capitalist misuse of the press by the goy (Citizen Kane), Hollywood kicks out identical mocking portrayals in films about the klan, or Italian gangsters who meet in secret to take over the world in their own diabolical ways.

All the while overlooking Rupert Murdochs crimes against free speech, or minimizing Gaza, and the nuclear threat of Israel today.

Maybe tacit would be a better word there-- but &quot;explicit&quot; is meant only as far as that &quot;we knew the deal then&quot; and minimized it, making it to me at least, explicit.

Its about the 13&#039;s, man;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G: yeah, I just like to see the look on their face when I drop the jew cards in the matzo flour.</p>
<p>Well, explicit might be a bit too general, but the idea is about the founding fathers of the 1913 federal reserve act, and all of those &#8220;German&#8221; capitalists and back door deals that went in to effect to motivate the hillbillies of Apalachia into going to war and dying in Yerup. </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t forget how England, was influenced by those infamous redshields in parliament, or Barney Barnato diamonds from apartheid in S. Africa&#8230;</p>
<p>Sure, its fashionable to always say that &#8220;international capitalists&#8221; are at fault for wars, but in those days, there was a big push for oil&#8211;and a question about who had the &#8216;right&#8217; to conquer oil pumping nations&#8211;and Palestine looked like a good foothold, with a group of folks who claimed a &#8216;right&#8217; to it. A footnote then, sure, but an exclamation point today. </p>
<p>The fashion is always to say that the mysterious &#8220;International Capitalists&#8221; are to blame for everything, and to particularly point to the known suspects amongst the goyim&#8211;Rockefeller, todays carlysle group, et al, but it is also explicit that one not mention the Jewish members of that elite group of &#8216;conspirators&#8217;. So I am just emphasizing the fact that Judeo incepted crimes against humanity get a pass, rather than an emphasis.</p>
<p>A great example of this would be to contrast what Jewish Hollywood producers routinely do with chronicles of Italian mobsters&#8211;even National Geographic picked up on the trend.</p>
<p>While we laugh at and mock Henry Fords crude portrayal of the &#8220;Elders of Zion,&#8221; meeting in clandestine quarters or the blatant capitalist misuse of the press by the goy (Citizen Kane), Hollywood kicks out identical mocking portrayals in films about the klan, or Italian gangsters who meet in secret to take over the world in their own diabolical ways.</p>
<p>All the while overlooking Rupert Murdochs crimes against free speech, or minimizing Gaza, and the nuclear threat of Israel today.</p>
<p>Maybe tacit would be a better word there&#8211; but &#8220;explicit&#8221; is meant only as far as that &#8220;we knew the deal then&#8221; and minimized it, making it to me at least, explicit.</p>
<p>Its about the 13&#8217;s, man;-)</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SW:  Please don&#039;t ever get confused on this one.  I am perfectly comfortable making an &quot;ad hominem&quot; remark about an anti-Semite such as yourself.  Why in the world would I not do that?  Jeezzhh...

I will add that I trust and respect the government of Israel and almost every single historically documented leader among the Israelites as far as I can throw Mount Sinai, which is not very far.  Which has nothing to do with antisemitism.  

&lt;em&gt;I see nothing wrong with being &quot;exclusionary&quot; and &quot;ethnocentric.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; OK, I&#039;ll bite.  Why? 

The Real Barack: &lt;em&gt;WW1&amp;2 were wars of Marxist capital formation for the explicit purpose of recreating Israel in all of its racist,religion based glory.&lt;/em&gt;

Explicit purpose?  If there was a secret plan, maybe, but I don&#039;t think Hitler, The Kaiser, Churchill, Whomever ever suggestd anything like this.  My reading of this history is that Israel was a European afterthought at best.

BTW, I can vouch for The Real Golda Meir here being not anti-semitic.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SW:  Please don&#8217;t ever get confused on this one.  I am perfectly comfortable making an &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; remark about an anti-Semite such as yourself.  Why in the world would I not do that?  Jeezzhh&#8230;</p>
<p>I will add that I trust and respect the government of Israel and almost every single historically documented leader among the Israelites as far as I can throw Mount Sinai, which is not very far.  Which has nothing to do with antisemitism.  </p>
<p><em>I see nothing wrong with being &#8220;exclusionary&#8221; and &#8220;ethnocentric.&#8221;</em> OK, I&#8217;ll bite.  Why? </p>
<p>The Real Barack: <em>WW1&#038;2 were wars of Marxist capital formation for the explicit purpose of recreating Israel in all of its racist,religion based glory.</em></p>
<p>Explicit purpose?  If there was a secret plan, maybe, but I don&#8217;t think Hitler, The Kaiser, Churchill, Whomever ever suggestd anything like this.  My reading of this history is that Israel was a European afterthought at best.</p>
<p>BTW, I can vouch for The Real Golda Meir here being not anti-semitic.  </p>
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		By: the real Baruch Goldstein		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[khan: here is the bingo---&gt;&quot;conflating of &quot;anti-semitism&quot; with every issue-- in the name of G-d.&quot; 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khan: here is the bingo&#8212;>&#8221;conflating of &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; with every issue&#8211; in the name of G-d.&#8221; </p>
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		By: the real kublai		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the real kublai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[khan is that for me? I don&#039;t know--does &quot;I am part Jewish&quot; count in your game, or must I be another self-soothing ethnocentric f#ck, or a yacademic with a jew-pandering attitude to count? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khan is that for me? I don&#8217;t know&#8211;does &#8220;I am part Jewish&#8221; count in your game, or must I be another self-soothing ethnocentric f#ck, or a yacademic with a jew-pandering attitude to count? </p>
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		By: khan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think we have anti-Semite bingo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have anti-Semite bingo.</p>
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		By: the real Baruch Goldstein		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/07/the-white-supremacists-are-won/#comment-530640</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the real Baruch Goldstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steph, Greg et al: be nice to SW, he is obviously new to adult language, science, or discussion. Maybe he/she is a ten year old.

Steph: &quot;Real, are you really trying to tell me that there&#039;s any group on this planet that should be judged by what it was doing 6,500 years ago?&quot;

It isn&#039;t the 6500 years AGO that is the issue, it is the RIGHT NOW factor. That has never changed. WW1&amp;2 were wars of Marxist capital formation for the explicit purpose of recreating Israel in all of its racist,religion based glory.

We aren&#039;t talking about ANY religion here: we are talking about the paternoster--the one that has set the trend for religions to be tools of racial purity based killing, discrimination,and death. Those silly murderous Christians and Islamics just adopted the model. 

And it isn&#039;t &quot;any&quot; grouop either, but a group that claims the fanatic right to being THE chosen people--not just &quot;people like the rest of them&quot;. That kind of paves the way for my statement that Israel is just a new century like the old ones, with the same beliefs.

I mean, we aren&#039;t talking about whether or not we can eat catfish, cast off our yamulkas and straw wigs, or work on Sundays here, we are talking about religion as an excuse to maim, defame, murder, and co-opt lands and other resources--not least of which are resources of public discussion; the conflating of &quot;anti-semitism&quot; with every issue-- in the name of G-d. 

That hasn&#039;t changed in 6500 years, Steph.

For instance, bushmen, Celtic Druids, cow loving Jains, or Navajo shamans for the most part didn&#039;t form a UN based on the idea of one world government, with an almost exclusive purpose of upholding the right of one religion to hold state power, and be overlooked for its indiscretions against others.

Imagine for instance, &quot;crimes of scale&quot; where we could employ the World court to prosecute war crimes in a non-sectarian manner. The scale would be &quot;Milosevich was a beast, and killed lots of people&quot;, cast against a scale like &quot;Henry Kissinger, Paul Wolfowitz killed many more.&quot;

Those two bozos make Milosevic look like a choir boy.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph, Greg et al: be nice to SW, he is obviously new to adult language, science, or discussion. Maybe he/she is a ten year old.</p>
<p>Steph: &#8220;Real, are you really trying to tell me that there&#8217;s any group on this planet that should be judged by what it was doing 6,500 years ago?&#8221;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the 6500 years AGO that is the issue, it is the RIGHT NOW factor. That has never changed. WW1&#038;2 were wars of Marxist capital formation for the explicit purpose of recreating Israel in all of its racist,religion based glory.</p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t talking about ANY religion here: we are talking about the paternoster&#8211;the one that has set the trend for religions to be tools of racial purity based killing, discrimination,and death. Those silly murderous Christians and Islamics just adopted the model. </p>
<p>And it isn&#8217;t &#8220;any&#8221; grouop either, but a group that claims the fanatic right to being THE chosen people&#8211;not just &#8220;people like the rest of them&#8221;. That kind of paves the way for my statement that Israel is just a new century like the old ones, with the same beliefs.</p>
<p>I mean, we aren&#8217;t talking about whether or not we can eat catfish, cast off our yamulkas and straw wigs, or work on Sundays here, we are talking about religion as an excuse to maim, defame, murder, and co-opt lands and other resources&#8211;not least of which are resources of public discussion; the conflating of &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; with every issue&#8211; in the name of G-d. </p>
<p>That hasn&#8217;t changed in 6500 years, Steph.</p>
<p>For instance, bushmen, Celtic Druids, cow loving Jains, or Navajo shamans for the most part didn&#8217;t form a UN based on the idea of one world government, with an almost exclusive purpose of upholding the right of one religion to hold state power, and be overlooked for its indiscretions against others.</p>
<p>Imagine for instance, &#8220;crimes of scale&#8221; where we could employ the World court to prosecute war crimes in a non-sectarian manner. The scale would be &#8220;Milosevich was a beast, and killed lots of people&#8221;, cast against a scale like &#8220;Henry Kissinger, Paul Wolfowitz killed many more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those two bozos make Milosevic look like a choir boy.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see nothing wrong with being &quot;exclusionary&quot; and &quot;ethnocentric.&quot;]]></description>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, yes, SW, your respect is &lt;i&gt;such&lt;/i&gt; a motivator. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes, SW, your respect is <i>such</i> a motivator. </p>
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