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		By: Tod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The medical community now recommends bloodstream vitamin D levels of at least 75-150 nmol/L, yet these levels are not reached by many tanned, outdoorsy people&quot;.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/06/mad-dogs-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mad dogs and ....&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The medical community now recommends bloodstream vitamin D levels of at least 75-150 nmol/L, yet these levels are not reached by many tanned, outdoorsy people&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/06/mad-dogs-and.html" rel="nofollow">Mad dogs and &#8230;.</a></p>
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		By: Tod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 09:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ Interesting idea about natural selection -  genes disable you. MS is caused by Epstein-Barr virus interacting with the immune system.
 Unless you never go out into the sun or the shade, (yes UVB bounces off the clouds and hits you to make &#039;D&#039; there too)  Rickets is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://paleodiet.com/phytic.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nutritional disease&lt;/a&gt;, there is no such  thing as low vitamin D levels.

  The Pharmacology of Vitamin D, Including Fortification Strategies
&quot;During summer, we accumulate vitamin D3 and store it, so that supplies for vitamin D do not become completely depleted during the winter months. Within three days of a dose of vitamin D3, very little of the original vitamin D is detectable in plasma of rats (101) or humans (102). Most vitamin D entering the circulation appears to be excreted unmetabolized into the bile.[...]

&lt;b&gt;If 30,000 years after entering northern Europe natural selection hasn&#039;t changed this, as it easilly could, I have to wonder if the reason isn&#039;t that the Vitamin D requrements are met, and then some, by North European sunshine.&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;If one looks at the system of vitamin D metabolism in Figure 2 from the perspective of a system
designed to control something, it becomes clear that this is a system better designed to cope with an abundance of supply, not a lack of it. The flow of vitamin D toward 25(OH)D is remarkably inefficient, with most bypassing
it. Furthermore, there is no way to correct for deficiency of vitamin D, other than to redirect utilization of 25(OH)D toward 1,25(OH)2D production, which is the pathway most acutely important for life. That is, when supplies of
vitamin D are severely restricted, its metabolism is directed only toward the maintenance of calcium
homeostasis. To expand on the point that the system of vitamin D metabolism is effectively designed for adjusting for higher inputs, not lower inputs, I offer the example of an air-conditioner system. Air conditioners are designed to compensate for excessive heat, but they are a useless way to compensate for a cold environment.&quot;

This points towards a natural homeostasis of vitamin D synthesis and storage in northern Europe that has not modified from the one evolved in Africa because it&#039;s still dealing with an excess. 

Trevor Marshall 
&quot;It is thus very difficult to find a population which can be studied in order to ascertain what the level of natural metabolic homeostasis for 25-D might actually be. These studies show a wide variation in levels of 25-D being generated by populations whose diets have probably not yet
been significantly altered by â??The Sunshine Vitamin,â?? indicating that the unsupplemented metabolic homeostasis is probably in the range 23â??60 nmol/L, and that it falls with advancing age.&quot; 


&quot;When researchers went to an Italian nursing home, they found that 99 of 104 residents had no detectable vitamin D in their blood,&quot; 
(Bad news for these people ?)

All of the 104 resident were over 98 years old!
I hate to think how old they would have lived to if they&#039;d kept their vitamin D levels &#039;normal&#039;.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Interesting idea about natural selection &#8211;  genes disable you. MS is caused by Epstein-Barr virus interacting with the immune system.<br />
 Unless you never go out into the sun or the shade, (yes UVB bounces off the clouds and hits you to make &#8216;D&#8217; there too)  Rickets is a <a href="http://paleodiet.com/phytic.txt" rel="nofollow">nutritional disease</a>, there is no such  thing as low vitamin D levels.</p>
<p>  The Pharmacology of Vitamin D, Including Fortification Strategies<br />
&#8220;During summer, we accumulate vitamin D3 and store it, so that supplies for vitamin D do not become completely depleted during the winter months. Within three days of a dose of vitamin D3, very little of the original vitamin D is detectable in plasma of rats (101) or humans (102). Most vitamin D entering the circulation appears to be excreted unmetabolized into the bile.[&#8230;]</p>
<p><b>If 30,000 years after entering northern Europe natural selection hasn&#8217;t changed this, as it easilly could, I have to wonder if the reason isn&#8217;t that the Vitamin D requrements are met, and then some, by North European sunshine.</b></p>
<p>&#8220;If one looks at the system of vitamin D metabolism in Figure 2 from the perspective of a system<br />
designed to control something, it becomes clear that this is a system better designed to cope with an abundance of supply, not a lack of it. The flow of vitamin D toward 25(OH)D is remarkably inefficient, with most bypassing<br />
it. Furthermore, there is no way to correct for deficiency of vitamin D, other than to redirect utilization of 25(OH)D toward 1,25(OH)2D production, which is the pathway most acutely important for life. That is, when supplies of<br />
vitamin D are severely restricted, its metabolism is directed only toward the maintenance of calcium<br />
homeostasis. To expand on the point that the system of vitamin D metabolism is effectively designed for adjusting for higher inputs, not lower inputs, I offer the example of an air-conditioner system. Air conditioners are designed to compensate for excessive heat, but they are a useless way to compensate for a cold environment.&#8221;</p>
<p>This points towards a natural homeostasis of vitamin D synthesis and storage in northern Europe that has not modified from the one evolved in Africa because it&#8217;s still dealing with an excess. </p>
<p>Trevor Marshall<br />
&#8220;It is thus very difficult to find a population which can be studied in order to ascertain what the level of natural metabolic homeostasis for 25-D might actually be. These studies show a wide variation in levels of 25-D being generated by populations whose diets have probably not yet<br />
been significantly altered by â??The Sunshine Vitamin,â?? indicating that the unsupplemented metabolic homeostasis is probably in the range 23â??60 nmol/L, and that it falls with advancing age.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;When researchers went to an Italian nursing home, they found that 99 of 104 residents had no detectable vitamin D in their blood,&#8221;<br />
(Bad news for these people ?)</p>
<p>All of the 104 resident were over 98 years old!<br />
I hate to think how old they would have lived to if they&#8217;d kept their vitamin D levels &#8216;normal&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Mike Barnes		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/05/link-between-vitamin-d-deficie/#comment-530555</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Barnes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there is also an enormous amount of data on vitamin D potential for cancer prevention. The canadian cancer society now recomend everyone takes vitamin D. there is a good website at www.vitaminD3world.com that gives all the data on cancer prevention]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is also an enormous amount of data on vitamin D potential for cancer prevention. The canadian cancer society now recomend everyone takes vitamin D. there is a good website at <a href="http://www.vitaminD3world.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.vitaminD3world.com</a> that gives all the data on cancer prevention</p>
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		By: Stacy S.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/05/link-between-vitamin-d-deficie/#comment-530554</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacy S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s also been linked to leukemia recently ... or I should say drug therapy for it has. I have MS. 

This is one of the few posts I&#039;ve done where I was able to string together  more than 3 or 4 words. If you&#039;re interested in what it&#039;s like to live with it - then here you go .
http://car54.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/i-have-multiple-sclerosis/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also been linked to leukemia recently &#8230; or I should say drug therapy for it has. I have MS. </p>
<p>This is one of the few posts I&#8217;ve done where I was able to string together  more than 3 or 4 words. If you&#8217;re interested in what it&#8217;s like to live with it &#8211; then here you go .<br />
<a href="http://car54.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/i-have-multiple-sclerosis/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://car54.wordpress.com/2008/10/23/i-have-multiple-sclerosis/</a></p>
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		By: Lilian Nattel		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2009/02/05/link-between-vitamin-d-deficie/#comment-530553</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lilian Nattel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard about ms &amp; vitamin D (Canada has an unusually high rate of ms &amp; low sunshine), but not that it relates to development in utero and early in life. Thanks for the info.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard about ms &#038; vitamin D (Canada has an unusually high rate of ms &#038; low sunshine), but not that it relates to development in utero and early in life. Thanks for the info.</p>
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		By: D. C. Sessions		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;However, the researchers believe that in people who carry the variant, a lack of vitamin D during early life might impair the ability of the thymus to delete these T cells, which then go on to attack the body, leading to a loss of myelin on the nerve fibres.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At first blush, that would also suggest an influence on other autoimmune disorders.  (Not that I know a damn thing about the matter; I could easily be FOS.)

Assuming that the notion is not facially silly to anyone with a clue, it would be a relatively easy cross-check.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, the researchers believe that in people who carry the variant, a lack of vitamin D during early life might impair the ability of the thymus to delete these T cells, which then go on to attack the body, leading to a loss of myelin on the nerve fibres.</p></blockquote>
<p>At first blush, that would also suggest an influence on other autoimmune disorders.  (Not that I know a damn thing about the matter; I could easily be FOS.)</p>
<p>Assuming that the notion is not facially silly to anyone with a clue, it would be a relatively easy cross-check.</p>
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		By: abb3w		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone should push for Soy Milk also getting the Vitamin D added, if it isn&#039;t already mandatory....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should push for Soy Milk also getting the Vitamin D added, if it isn&#8217;t already mandatory&#8230;.</p>
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		By: lynn fellman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lynn fellman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting. Dr. Jasper Rine, UCLA Berkley, was just in town at the U of M discussing his work with Folic Acid and remediation of genetic disease with vitamins. This is the kind of research we need to back for many reasons -- one being that big pharma doesn&#039;t have incentives to develop products. The title of Dr. Tine&#039;s talk was &quot;Good News from the Human Genome&quot; and this basic research is another example. Thanks Greg.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. Dr. Jasper Rine, UCLA Berkley, was just in town at the U of M discussing his work with Folic Acid and remediation of genetic disease with vitamins. This is the kind of research we need to back for many reasons &#8212; one being that big pharma doesn&#8217;t have incentives to develop products. The title of Dr. Tine&#8217;s talk was &#8220;Good News from the Human Genome&#8221; and this basic research is another example. Thanks Greg.</p>
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