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	Comments on: Global Warming, the Blog Epic ~ 05 ~ Causes of Large Scale Change	</title>
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		By: Paul Naveau, Belgium		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Naveau, Belgium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Greg,
You have a nice blog epic going on here, very informative!
I&#039;m thinking that the graph could be at first be confusing for people with a lesser scientific background, maybe titles (which i assume would be the isotope ratio on Y and million years on X).
Thanks, i&#039;m now going to the next post in the epic :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg,<br />
You have a nice blog epic going on here, very informative!<br />
I&#8217;m thinking that the graph could be at first be confusing for people with a lesser scientific background, maybe titles (which i assume would be the isotope ratio on Y and million years on X).<br />
Thanks, i&#8217;m now going to the next post in the epic 🙂</p>
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		By: Charles Pierce, Australia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Pierce, Australia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was interested to find this blog. 20 years ago I had a book published on different economic concepts to point the way to a sustainable world economy. Someone who liked the book contacted me this year to suggest that I update and re-publish it as a blog. She set up the blog, and the book is now complete on the blog in a series of postings. There are now also additional pieces on global warming and other subjects. Here is the link:

http://www.economicsforaroundearth.com

With all good wishes,
Charles Pierce
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested to find this blog. 20 years ago I had a book published on different economic concepts to point the way to a sustainable world economy. Someone who liked the book contacted me this year to suggest that I update and re-publish it as a blog. She set up the blog, and the book is now complete on the blog in a series of postings. There are now also additional pieces on global warming and other subjects. Here is the link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economicsforaroundearth.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.economicsforaroundearth.com</a></p>
<p>With all good wishes,<br />
Charles Pierce</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ethan:

Thanks, I feel much better now. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan:</p>
<p>Thanks, I feel much better now. </p>
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		By: bigTom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigTom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[  Pretty decent, and necessarily long.

  Solar evolution. Over long periods of time the sun does grow hotter. IIRC the current rate is estimated to be 6% per billion years. In the context of a few million years that is not significant. Over geologic time it is very significant. The early earth had to have had a strong greenhouse effect, otherwise it would have frozen over. In effect the amount of CO2 needed to keep the earths temperature within a reasonable (for life) range, gradually diminishes over time. Of course the sun won&#039;t literally explode, but this rate of increase in brightness will gradually accelerate, until at maximum during the red giant phase, it will be thousands of times brighter than currently.

   Interestingly the elliptical orbit has a first order effect which is zero! The reason is that the received intensity varies as inverse squared, and the angular rate of the earth in its orbit also varies as inverse squared. The total amount of radiation received during a season is independent of the phase angle in the elliptical orbit! So in the current configuration the northern hemisphere gets a short mild winter, and a long mild summer. Wait half a precession cycle, and we will have long severe winters, and short, but (more) severe summers. Of course these second order effects are important. At our current ellipticity, the January sun appears to be 7% more intense than the July sun. Exactly the opposite of the usual near/far answer people give.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  Pretty decent, and necessarily long.</p>
<p>  Solar evolution. Over long periods of time the sun does grow hotter. IIRC the current rate is estimated to be 6% per billion years. In the context of a few million years that is not significant. Over geologic time it is very significant. The early earth had to have had a strong greenhouse effect, otherwise it would have frozen over. In effect the amount of CO2 needed to keep the earths temperature within a reasonable (for life) range, gradually diminishes over time. Of course the sun won&#8217;t literally explode, but this rate of increase in brightness will gradually accelerate, until at maximum during the red giant phase, it will be thousands of times brighter than currently.</p>
<p>   Interestingly the elliptical orbit has a first order effect which is zero! The reason is that the received intensity varies as inverse squared, and the angular rate of the earth in its orbit also varies as inverse squared. The total amount of radiation received during a season is independent of the phase angle in the elliptical orbit! So in the current configuration the northern hemisphere gets a short mild winter, and a long mild summer. Wait half a precession cycle, and we will have long severe winters, and short, but (more) severe summers. Of course these second order effects are important. At our current ellipticity, the January sun appears to be 7% more intense than the July sun. Exactly the opposite of the usual near/far answer people give.  </p>
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		By: uncle noel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uncle noel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...glaciers are somewhat self-regulating...&quot;

The changes you cite would cause positive feedback - runaway cooling. Where&#039;s the regulator?

I remember when the creationist&#039;s mantra was &quot;no missing link&quot;. Then numerous &quot;missing links&quot; were found. Did they apologize and hang their heads? The IDers, maddeningly, embrace both guided evolution and no evolution, which are obviously different things, but they get to include the numbskull young earth creationists that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;glaciers are somewhat self-regulating&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The changes you cite would cause positive feedback &#8211; runaway cooling. Where&#8217;s the regulator?</p>
<p>I remember when the creationist&#8217;s mantra was &#8220;no missing link&#8221;. Then numerous &#8220;missing links&#8221; were found. Did they apologize and hang their heads? The IDers, maddeningly, embrace both guided evolution and no evolution, which are obviously different things, but they get to include the numbskull young earth creationists that way.</p>
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		By: Ethan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice essay.  However, the Sun will not explode.  It will become a Red Giant, and this will involve substantial expansion (and significant mass loss), but the time scale for these changes will be hundreds of millions of years (or maybe tens during fast phases of evolution).  That&#039;s a bit slow to call it an explosion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice essay.  However, the Sun will not explode.  It will become a Red Giant, and this will involve substantial expansion (and significant mass loss), but the time scale for these changes will be hundreds of millions of years (or maybe tens during fast phases of evolution).  That&#8217;s a bit slow to call it an explosion.</p>
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