Comments on: Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal rather than religion specific values https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/ Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:20:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: JanieBelle https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9495 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:20:15 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9495 Aw, thank you both.(and just for the record, flattery will get you everywhere with me…)Kisses to you both

]]> By: Stephanie Z https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9494 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:14:38 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9494 Funny, I felt exactly the same way about Janie’s self-martyrdom comment.

]]> By: JanieBelle https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9493 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:14:33 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9493 Transplant, actually. I’m from the South up North (Southern Ohio – Jackson County, to be specific).

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9492 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:10:06 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9492 Janie,Thanks for saying perfectly what took me several rambling paragraphs.You are southern, aren’t you?

]]> By: JanieBelle https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9491 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:16:03 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9491

Just stop picking on people who follow religious traditions. its an old dodge. And we’re a little tired of it.

I’m sorry, but that shoe is on the wrong damned foot.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9490 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:51:35 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9490 It is this part I don’t get, or maybe, just don’t like:Just stop picking on people who follow religious traditions. its an old dodge. And we’re a little tired of it.I just wanted to be sure what Phil was talking about before I whooped ’em upside da head.I’m sorry, but no, we are not done complaining about religion or picking on religious people and won’t be until the reasonable religious people take a firm stand against the yahoos and thus help make the yahoos go away. It is obvious that this sort of pressure, this sort of embarrassment, is needed. As long as a major political commenter on public radio can say, in a discussion of church/state issues and the US supreme court, “A secular society? Well, obviously, NO ONE wants that!” and not be called on it, I and others will be here to pick on the religious and religion itself. Bank on it. Bet on it. Expect it. Live with it. Love it.Or, maybe Phil meant something else. But just in case, there’s my tirade. For now.

]]> By: JanieBelle https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9489 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:04:41 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9489 Self-Martyrdom: It isn’t just for breakfast any more.

]]> By: Stephanie Z https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9488 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:53:31 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9488 The question then is why is this complaint standard? How does suggesting that religion needs to be translated into politics through a filter of reason mean that Greg’s whining that all religious people are kooks who should be excluded from politics? How is he “picking on people who follow religious traditions” by suggesting tradition shouldn’t be carried unexamined into the public square? Why is posting a video of a politician saying something intelligent denying the existence of intelligent politicians?In other words, what is Phil talking about? Because whatever he’s wet-towelling, it isn’t this video or this post.

]]> By: Valhar2000 https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9487 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:07:50 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9487 Greg, Phil is just voicing the standard complaint.I had heard about Obama expressing these sentiments before. I hope it will catch on.

]]> By: Leaves on the Current https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9486 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:50:11 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/06/10/democracy-demands-that-the-rel/#comment-9486 Terrific video. When and where did Obama make these comments?

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