Comments on: The AFA Boycott Of Ford: Christian Antigay Group Caves, Claims Victory https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/ Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:16:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Joshua Zelinsky https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8930 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:16:28 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8930 Greg, I think you underestimate how large a change this is. In particular, the change in policy for advertising could be quite a lot of money. Now granted they are only changing the policy in the United States. We really would need to know how much money Ford normally spent on advertisements in the United States aimed at gays and how.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8929 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:25:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8929 they deem that homosexuality is a sin and therefore wronBy my standards of humanism, it is not their right to make that judgment. By the standards of their own religion, in fact, it is not their right, but they are ignorant.Muslim people deem that westerners, and more exactly Jewish and Christian, are the infidels who must therefore die.I have a lot of Muslim friends and colleagues, and not one of them thinks this. What really happens is that a log of rwf Christians judge Muslims as terrorists. That is not correct, but they (these Christians) are ignorant.You have no problem with going after the terrorists who may threaten your civil liberties yet you don not feel the need to allow Christian’s their freedom to say whatever they feel like sayingActually, that is not really true. I have a more informed and nuanced opinion of this. I see no special reason to call Palestinian militants terrorists but gun toting zionists in the territories not. I know a number of people who were labeled as terrorists in South Africa. They are now part of the government. The world is not as simple as you seem to be describing it.Yet not all of the Christian community is this way, and you have no problem with discriminating against all Christian based off the actions of a few.You are correct. I am saying the the Christians what many say to the Muslims: Clean up your act. Police yourselves. Cast aside the fundamentalists (who are all liars and often terrorists). Take those people who are speaking in tongues and get them psychiatric help. Investigate the sects and cults to root out groups like “The Family” and the “Peoples Temple” and so on.There is absolutely no move on the part of any significant number of Christians as far as I can see to attend to their on flock.

]]> By: Stephanie Z https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8928 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:08:04 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8928 Pete, I don’t think you have any idea what discrimination is. It isn’t the same thing as dislike. Nor is having the freedom to say something the same thing as being exempt from all consequences of your statements.Nice conflation of Muslims with the “majority of the terrorist community,” by the way. Wasn’t your point that not all Christians should be judged by the AFA?

]]> By: Pete https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8927 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:25:40 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8927 I am just curious how exactly a group is automatically deemed hateful and evil because they happen to be a different religion than you. In their practice of their religion they deem that homosexuality is a sin and therefore wrong. Have they physically assaulted you or are they just stating their opinion. Because in my book they are two extremely different things. Muslim people deem that westerners, and more exactly Jewish and Christian, are the infidels who must therefore die. When I say this I am not saying all feel this way but a good majority of the terrorist community feels this way. You have no problem with going after the terrorists who may threaten your civil liberties yet you don not feel the need to allow Christian’s their freedom to say whatever they feel like saying. You talk about how you don’t appreciate Christians because they are liars, hypocrites, and cheats. Yet not all of the Christian community is this way, and you have no problem with discriminating against all Christian based off the actions of a few. To me that would seem to be discrimination, which you are opposed to. So does this make you hypocrites also.

]]> By: greg laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8926 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:04:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8926 I’m surprised you did not find anything. Wildmon is very well known as an antisemite. He has hollywood and the TV industry as the ultimate enemy, and he has the Jewish Conspiracy running those industries.Normally I do not respond well to requests to do other people’s homework, but OK, I’ll help you out this one time….

The documentation includes evidence of Wildmon blaming Jews for objectionable TV programs and “anti-Christian” films. For years, Rev. Wildmon has maintained that “Hollywood and the theater world is heavily influenced by Jewish people.” And he has consistently expressed his belief that there is a conspiracy among television network executives and advertisers which amounts to “a genuine hostility towards Christians and the Christian faith.” “This anti-Christian programming is,” according to Wildmon, “intentional and by design.”

http://www.publiceye.org/ifas/fw/8906/wildmon.htmlthat was from a very quick google search on “Wildmon jewish” but in the references I give above in the original post or links therefrom you will find more . Just look him up in wikipedia. 24 seconds on a bad internet connection!!!!

]]> By: jomega https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8925 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:44:39 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8925 Not only does the AFA think “Three’s Company” is pornographic, but recently network television seems less tolerant of what TiTtilation the show did offer. A couple of years back Some show whose name and purpose I no longer recall was showing clips of “TC” and the one thing that haunts me to this day was the fact that in each clip SUZANNE SOMMERS’ BRALESS JIGGLIES WERE BLURRED OUT!!! HELL! OMGWTFBBQ!!?! Someone needs to be brought up on charges of Crimes Against Humanity, I tells ya!2)”well known anti-Semite Reverend Donald Wildmon” -???I’ve heard of Wildmon and the AFA for years, but not that particular charge. A brief (admittedly, very – like four minutes) web search turned up nothing. Documentation, please.

]]> By: Gray Gaffer https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8924 Sat, 31 May 2008 22:25:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8924 I had to read one bit multiple times. The AFA think “Three’s Company” is pornographic? WTF?!?!? Based on innuendo, maybe, but the whole point was that nothing ever happened. The only possibility for porno has to exist purely in the viewer’s mind. Which tells us what the folks at AFA spend their time thinking about and envisaging.

]]> By: (((Billy))) https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8923 Sat, 31 May 2008 21:01:08 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8923 Maybe the anti-atheist adverts out in Mojave convinced the AFA (American Fecalphages Anonymous) that Ford has come over to the narrow-minded side.

]]> By: Robert Estrada https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8922 Sat, 31 May 2008 11:47:37 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8922 AFA=American fetishists association?

]]> By: JanieBelle https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8921 Sat, 31 May 2008 10:44:46 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/31/the-afa-boycott-of-ford-christ/#comment-8921 Ok, a couple things…First, I won’t buy a Ford ever because:A)They cave and pander to bigots and hate mongers (assuming there is some kernel of truth here – and yes, that’s assuming a lot.)B.) The recent incident where the Mojave car dealership was mongering hate against non-Christians.C.) Their cars suck.(FWIW, we own two Hyundais and love them dearly. Never had a problem from either of them.)Second, AFA:Ass Fuckers Anonymous (the bigger the homophobe, the deeper the closet)

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