Comments on: It Is Over

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Wed, 07 May 2008 20:07:12 +0000

The repeated comments are spambots. We are trying to control them, but they are getting out of hand at the moment.

By: the real cmf

the real cmf — Wed, 07 May 2008 17:29:35 +0000

idahogie: thanks for the comment,and I like your blog title–I thought I was the only one who did one pint at a time democracy!!??but my comment was directed at joel, who keeps popping in to spook everyone with the Clintonologist appeazing word “conspiracy”…so read up the line a bit further for context. There is no conspiracy against Hillary, just a lot of common sense that is able to view white female privilege for what it is: another entitlement given to the historically most entitled of our culture.I would love to see a woman as president: just not a woman who has never been asked to do what it is that men are asked to do– shoulder unsightly and heavy burdens like war, death, and prison; just not another entitled white woman who talks about gender disparity while living the life of Queen Victoria while she backs policies that tilt issues like womens violence against children and men into the realm of myth, and then campaign by saying “I am a fighter”…if Bill could only tell those stories;-)Perhaps if a woman such as a Coral Wong Pietsch entered politics, and her ideas were like my own, there would be common ground, because she has the experience of being marginalized like average men are, as well as that she has endured the similar hardships rather than talking about enduring hardships: “Pietsch is the first, and currently only, female general in the 228-year history of the Judge Advocate General Corps.” She is from Oahu.And it is not at all out of context when you consider what Hillary, and fearful white women in general have done for prison growth, and a social climate that increased the already huge chasm between opportunity and disparity that exists for lower to middle income men, or what the progression of Dem politics has done for the right.”a very small chance that Clinton could be the Dem nominee. What will you do if that happens”I will vote for McCain, and then move to China, where at least their is hope of liberalization, and where men, for now, still have some rights that aren’t entirely leveraged by whether or not they support the causes of the ever hungry war mongering matrilineal, matrilocal societies we call “western nations.”.

By: Julie Stahlhut

Julie Stahlhut — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:35:35 +0000

The existence of Obamomaniacs who would not vote for Clinton were she the candidate has been greatly exaggerated. I've been thinking the same thing. I mean, how many of the above are there in the country? Four? Five? Okay, maybe an exaggeration, but I'm wondering where all these potentially Obama-supporting McCain voters are.

By: idahogie

idahogie — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:09:17 +0000

Now there’s a comment that’s gone way over the line. Sit down and take a breath, cmf. You seem to be taking a lot of the normal political stuff personally.There’s a very small chance that Clinton could be the Dem nominee. What will you do if that happens? From the looks of it, you won’t be able to vote for her.Forty years from now, will you want to tell your great-grandkids that you sat on your hands in the election of 2008 – when the first woman was elected? That you couldn’t support her because … things got a little heated in the primary?There’s not that much difference between Obama and Clinton. Try to lighten up a bit.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Greg – what’s up with the comments that are just repeats of one of my earlier paragraphs (ali @ 12:20 and london @ 2:27)?

By: the real cmf

the real cmf — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:37:37 +0000

joel:”their conspiracy mindset” exactly where is this conspiracy mindset? In Joel, yes, but elsewhere? Dude that mindset, famously used by Hilly is outdated, and one more reminder of why we need Barack–a fresh sand in a sullied playground–a ground that was soiled by the pseudo credential of faux-Democrats like Billary.Racism is real though:1)the Clinton campaign has orchestrated some of the new race politics (non-Jewish white women pander to the clever tossing of the race card–“black man as rapist” anyone?)2) Hillary tossed the “boy” card more than a million times at first using the word experience”3) we already know the Clintons are fake black anyways, and Bill moved to Harlem for…?No conspiracy there.Obama folk foaming at the mouth? Nothing at all like all of those rabid fearful white women( and their kinfolks’s) who have a love-lust-fear relationship with the ‘black man’. If only they could own Barack–like so many white women whio just can’t wait to adopt those cute lil’ black kids “they’re so cute, I want one of those”–but they ain’t much use to ’em if they ‘belong to other white women are they;-)

By: london

london — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:27:13 +0000

We will pull together in the fall. And whatever happens, I’m looking forward to standing in my local Democratic office with tears in my eyes on election night, watching either the first woman or the first black to be elected President. Isn’t the thought of that enough to make everyone lighten up a little?

By: Nomen Nescio

Nomen Nescio — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:28:23 +0000

i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again — we’ll have president McCain in november, because nobody the Democrats could possibly nominate at this point is capable of pulling off a landslide victory. the last two presidential elections show us what happens if the Democrats don’t manage a landslide; lawyering and finagling through whatever extra-electoral means to get the republican into office. it flat out doesn’t matter who the Democrats put on the ballot unless that person can win by (i would estimate) a double-digit percentage point margin in the public vote, because anything less is a de facto republican victory.get ready for four more years of McSame, because that’s what we’ll get.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:27:14 +0000

Jim,If the party did not deal very strictly with states that decide to act like there is not a national party, there would be absolute chaos. This has to happen this way. The people of those states were disenfranchised by their state party leaders, and have the means and right to remove them from positions of responsibility.In any event, at this point in time, you could take Florida and Michigan and stick them in the numbers and Obama still wins.BY the way, Michigan is totally screwed. There is no way to un-dis-enfranchise those voters without a total redo, because of the way the ballot was constructed.The states have indicated that they would not do a redo unless the party paid for it. As a democrat in a state that did not screw up, I am totally opposed to the national party paying for the absurd and obnoxious behavior of the party leaders in these two states. Especially Florida, where it is the Republicans tho are causing this problem.By the way, Republicans should not complain about the system used by the Democrats because a) it is the same system and b) the Republicans always follow the Democrats, always adopt the Democratic Party changes.

By: jim

jim — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:21:51 +0000

It is too bad that the Democrats are throwing out Ohio and Florida’s votes. I thought Democrats were against disenfranchisement? That whole mess has been handled very badly.Obama’s crew don’t want a redo because in all likelihood those states would go to Hillary. Since the national party wasn’t going to recognize the voting in those states, it isn’t fair to use the results that came out of those states either. – Which Hillary’s crew will be pulling for.It is very unDemocratic to disenfranchise voters, but that is what has happened in those two states.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:10:18 +0000

We will pull together in the fall. And whatever happens, I'm looking forward to standing in my local Democratic office with tears in my eyes on election night, watching either the first woman or the first black to be elected President. Isn't the thought of that enough to make everyone lighten up a little?Here Here!