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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I somehow doubt that the makers of this film ever intended to say it was anything other than either a resounding success (A Deathblow To The Darwinian Fascist Regime!) or cruelly suppressed. Or both.These people aren&#039;t in it for the truth, they&#039;re in it for the money and controversy sells.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I somehow doubt that the makers of this film ever intended to say it was anything other than either a resounding success (A Deathblow To The Darwinian Fascist Regime!) or cruelly suppressed. Or both.These people aren&#8217;t in it for the truth, they&#8217;re in it for the money and controversy sells.</p>
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		By: Rev Matt		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rev Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree that they are stupid or ignorant.  I think that&#039;s a big mistake that progressives and secularists make when dealing with religious zealots.  Delusional, misguided, and often mendacious, sure.  But not stupid.  I would not be the slightest bit surprised if this was all one big publicity stunt:Make a crappy movie attacking evolution with some names big enough to ensure media attentioninclude material that your backers have already been notified is protected under copyright thus ensuring your movie will never be releasedenjoy massive publicity for initial screenings and then even more massive publicitiy for martyrdom.And all without the negatives of the general public ever being able to actually see the movie for themselves.  It&#039;s actually quite clever a plan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that they are stupid or ignorant.  I think that&#8217;s a big mistake that progressives and secularists make when dealing with religious zealots.  Delusional, misguided, and often mendacious, sure.  But not stupid.  I would not be the slightest bit surprised if this was all one big publicity stunt:Make a crappy movie attacking evolution with some names big enough to ensure media attentioninclude material that your backers have already been notified is protected under copyright thus ensuring your movie will never be releasedenjoy massive publicity for initial screenings and then even more massive publicitiy for martyrdom.And all without the negatives of the general public ever being able to actually see the movie for themselves.  It&#8217;s actually quite clever a plan.</p>
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		By: Caveat		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6301</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Living up to their title &#039;No Intelligence Allowed&#039; alright.Why didn&#039;t they just get permission to use the work?  Or use something else?It&#039;s true though that having the opening stopped will make it look as though their film is scary stuff to all we bad atheists and that we wouldn&#039;t be able to withstand or refute the blinding truth of it all.Kind of win/lose.Still funny, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living up to their title &#8216;No Intelligence Allowed&#8217; alright.Why didn&#8217;t they just get permission to use the work?  Or use something else?It&#8217;s true though that having the opening stopped will make it look as though their film is scary stuff to all we bad atheists and that we wouldn&#8217;t be able to withstand or refute the blinding truth of it all.Kind of win/lose.Still funny, though.</p>
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		By: Caveat		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6300</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Living up to their title &#039;No Intelligence Allowed&#039; alright.Why didn&#039;t they just get permission to use the work?  Or use something else?It&#039;s true though that having the opening stopped will make it look as though their film is scary stuff to all we bad atheists and that we wouldn&#039;t be able to withstand or refute the blinding truth of it all.Kind of win-win and lose-lose at the same time.Still funny, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living up to their title &#8216;No Intelligence Allowed&#8217; alright.Why didn&#8217;t they just get permission to use the work?  Or use something else?It&#8217;s true though that having the opening stopped will make it look as though their film is scary stuff to all we bad atheists and that we wouldn&#8217;t be able to withstand or refute the blinding truth of it all.Kind of win-win and lose-lose at the same time.Still funny, though.</p>
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		By: Christie		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6299</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They may claim persecution, but I think that just like the cases they cite in the film (haven&#039;t seen it, just reading about it for months like the rest) they will be shown to be merely dishonest, incompetent, and shrill.  I see the point about it being considered a victory, but then they claim everything as a victory, don&#039;t they?  It hasn&#039;t gained them much so far.@Mike Haubrich, what an awesome idea. I have a novelty glasses-and-rubber-nose set at home, I&#039;ll go as Ben Stein!  Thanks for the smile.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may claim persecution, but I think that just like the cases they cite in the film (haven&#8217;t seen it, just reading about it for months like the rest) they will be shown to be merely dishonest, incompetent, and shrill.  I see the point about it being considered a victory, but then they claim everything as a victory, don&#8217;t they?  It hasn&#8217;t gained them much so far.@Mike Haubrich, what an awesome idea. I have a novelty glasses-and-rubber-nose set at home, I&#8217;ll go as Ben Stein!  Thanks for the smile.</p>
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		By: Zach Miller		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zach Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s awesome. What did they THINK was going to happen?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome. What did they THINK was going to happen?</p>
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		By: mark		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6297</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gee whiz...the York Daily Record just had an announcement for the film today, linking to the &lt;i&gt;Expelled&lt;/i&gt; website.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee whiz&#8230;the York Daily Record just had an announcement for the film today, linking to the <i>Expelled</i> website.</p>
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		By: MemeGene		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MemeGene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But now they&#039;re up against intellectual property and copyright infringement, which will put them at odds with the fiscal conservatives backing the ID agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But now they&#8217;re up against intellectual property and copyright infringement, which will put them at odds with the fiscal conservatives backing the ID agenda.</p>
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		By: qetzal		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6295</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[qetzal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So in other words, the Expelled guys are going to get to claim that their movie was suppressed?&lt;/blockquote&gt;My thought exactly. If this does force them to delay or even cancel their release, they will claim it&#039;s yet more persecution. Even if they decide to continue on schedule, they&#039;ll still claim persecution if XVIVO follow through with it&#039;s legal threats.One could almost wonder if this was a deliberate strategy on their part. That is, if one thought they had the intelligence to develop such a strategy.So no, I&#039;m sure it&#039;s just their incompetence, but I&#039;m equally sure they&#039;ll spin it as hard as they can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So in other words, the Expelled guys are going to get to claim that their movie was suppressed?</p></blockquote>
<p>My thought exactly. If this does force them to delay or even cancel their release, they will claim it&#8217;s yet more persecution. Even if they decide to continue on schedule, they&#8217;ll still claim persecution if XVIVO follow through with it&#8217;s legal threats.One could almost wonder if this was a deliberate strategy on their part. That is, if one thought they had the intelligence to develop such a strategy.So no, I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s just their incompetence, but I&#8217;m equally sure they&#8217;ll spin it as hard as they can.</p>
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		By: Jeff Hebert		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/04/10/expelled-busted/#comment-6294</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Hebert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe Peter Irons is so foolish as to hand the ID proponents a victory like this. The next time some atheist (or scientist, same difference) client comes to him wanting him to sue a creationist for stealing, Irons should just sit down, shut up, and let some other attorney handle it. Or better yet, not do anything, because &quot;framing&quot; the issue of theft like this is a victory for ID.I realize my mind works at such a higher level than everyone else&#039;s that this sounds like idiocy to you, but if you just come over to my blog and give it lots of hits I&#039;ll explain it all. Eventually./channeling Nisbet]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe Peter Irons is so foolish as to hand the ID proponents a victory like this. The next time some atheist (or scientist, same difference) client comes to him wanting him to sue a creationist for stealing, Irons should just sit down, shut up, and let some other attorney handle it. Or better yet, not do anything, because &#8220;framing&#8221; the issue of theft like this is a victory for ID.I realize my mind works at such a higher level than everyone else&#8217;s that this sounds like idiocy to you, but if you just come over to my blog and give it lots of hits I&#8217;ll explain it all. Eventually./channeling Nisbet</p>
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