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		By: Luna_the_cat		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/02/14/woman-arrested-by-religious-po/#comment-551028</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luna_the_cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, so a grand &quot;fuck you&quot; to you too, then, Razib.  Nothing like a little light trolling to make people think well of you.  I&#039;m awfully glad you&#039;re not serious, and yeah, I had begun to think you were, but what the hell...the internets are already full of fuckwits and idiots who really do think that way.  There is no position of parody so stupid or extreme that someone, somewhere, doesn&#039;t defend it seriously.  

What do you think you improve by pretending to be yet-another-idiot?  To make us take it less seriously?  Why?  This crap is still out there, this being a farce doesn&#039;t make it go away.  To amuse yourself at our expense?  Thanks, such a sweetie you are.  I have enough people in my life who annoy me to be impressed with someone reasonably intelligent who decides to be an asshat just for fun.  You have nothing more constructive to do with your time?

Meh.  Wildly, wildly unimpressed.  The fact that it&#039;s a joke to you is frankly almost as bad as when I thought you were serious.  A real, live, human being is sitting in a prison where she has been tortured, for the third year of her imprisonment, wondering if she gets to live or if she gets beheaded in a day or two.  But this is just a little light entertainment to get us to stop taking it all so seriously.  Fab-tastic.

Wait, I&#039;m sorry.  You should have a chance to speak for yourself.  Could you share with us, please, why you thought being a troll for a while was a good thing?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so a grand &#8220;fuck you&#8221; to you too, then, Razib.  Nothing like a little light trolling to make people think well of you.  I&#8217;m awfully glad you&#8217;re not serious, and yeah, I had begun to think you were, but what the hell&#8230;the internets are already full of fuckwits and idiots who really do think that way.  There is no position of parody so stupid or extreme that someone, somewhere, doesn&#8217;t defend it seriously.  </p>
<p>What do you think you improve by pretending to be yet-another-idiot?  To make us take it less seriously?  Why?  This crap is still out there, this being a farce doesn&#8217;t make it go away.  To amuse yourself at our expense?  Thanks, such a sweetie you are.  I have enough people in my life who annoy me to be impressed with someone reasonably intelligent who decides to be an asshat just for fun.  You have nothing more constructive to do with your time?</p>
<p>Meh.  Wildly, wildly unimpressed.  The fact that it&#8217;s a joke to you is frankly almost as bad as when I thought you were serious.  A real, live, human being is sitting in a prison where she has been tortured, for the third year of her imprisonment, wondering if she gets to live or if she gets beheaded in a day or two.  But this is just a little light entertainment to get us to stop taking it all so seriously.  Fab-tastic.</p>
<p>Wait, I&#8217;m sorry.  You should have a chance to speak for yourself.  Could you share with us, please, why you thought being a troll for a while was a good thing?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tyler.  You got a cookie, it&#039;s on your computer.  Who knows what it does!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler.  You got a cookie, it&#8217;s on your computer.  Who knows what it does!</p>
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		By: Tyler DiPietro		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/02/14/woman-arrested-by-religious-po/#comment-551026</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyler DiPietro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do I win anything for getting the joke early on? A cookie will suffice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I win anything for getting the joke early on? A cookie will suffice.</p>
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		By: razib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[and FYI for the humorless ones (most of you): yes, i was parodying. LOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and FYI for the humorless ones (most of you): yes, i was parodying. LOL.</p>
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		By: razib		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LOL.  you guys are a joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  you guys are a joke.</p>
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		By: Luna_the_cat		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/02/14/woman-arrested-by-religious-po/#comment-551023</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luna_the_cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Razib -- wait, is your argument supposed to be &quot;white people used to give Muslim culture a free pass on bad behavior, based on their own cultural misconceptions, so now they are not allowed to criticise Muslim bad behavior, because it&#039;s *still* all their own cultural misconceptions&quot;...?  This is just about the most coherent interpretation I can give your anti-liberal, anti-feminist, anti-white, anti-western rant there.

Well, 
(a) there are a lot of white, western, men and women both who never declared that Islam was a &quot;beautiful&quot; culture or advocated giving it a free pass for bad behavior towards women or anyone else on the basis of cultural tradition, and tarring everyone who is white and western with the same brush is absolutely as stupid as tarring everyone &quot;black&quot;, &quot;colored&quot; or &quot;Middle Eastern&quot; with the same brush, and you bloody well ought to know better.

(b) Saying that western feminists falsely compared our problems here to the problems of women in Muslim culture, making it completely invalid for feminists to be outraged about the plight of women there, is equally stupid and fallacious, given that, first, not all feminists did that, but many did use Muslim culture as an example of an enshrinement of male privilege (contradicting what you state in &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt;, above); and second, equally, given the simple fact that even if other people have it far worse, this in no way invalidates efforts to make one&#039;s own life better.
 
(c) Saying that no-one outside a culture has the right to criticise lunatic behavior or blatant injustice is absolute crap.  Tom said it better than I could.   

You are being an idiot.  Really, you seem to be serious, this doesn&#039;t seem to just be a parody, and I have lost all and any respect for you that I might ever have had.  Your position is absolutely astonishingly bitter and illogical, not to mention defends the absolutely indefensible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib &#8212; wait, is your argument supposed to be &#8220;white people used to give Muslim culture a free pass on bad behavior, based on their own cultural misconceptions, so now they are not allowed to criticise Muslim bad behavior, because it&#8217;s *still* all their own cultural misconceptions&#8221;&#8230;?  This is just about the most coherent interpretation I can give your anti-liberal, anti-feminist, anti-white, anti-western rant there.</p>
<p>Well,<br />
(a) there are a lot of white, western, men and women both who never declared that Islam was a &#8220;beautiful&#8221; culture or advocated giving it a free pass for bad behavior towards women or anyone else on the basis of cultural tradition, and tarring everyone who is white and western with the same brush is absolutely as stupid as tarring everyone &#8220;black&#8221;, &#8220;colored&#8221; or &#8220;Middle Eastern&#8221; with the same brush, and you bloody well ought to know better.</p>
<p>(b) Saying that western feminists falsely compared our problems here to the problems of women in Muslim culture, making it completely invalid for feminists to be outraged about the plight of women there, is equally stupid and fallacious, given that, first, not all feminists did that, but many did use Muslim culture as an example of an enshrinement of male privilege (contradicting what you state in <i>a</i>, above); and second, equally, given the simple fact that even if other people have it far worse, this in no way invalidates efforts to make one&#8217;s own life better.</p>
<p>(c) Saying that no-one outside a culture has the right to criticise lunatic behavior or blatant injustice is absolute crap.  Tom said it better than I could.   </p>
<p>You are being an idiot.  Really, you seem to be serious, this doesn&#8217;t seem to just be a parody, and I have lost all and any respect for you that I might ever have had.  Your position is absolutely astonishingly bitter and illogical, not to mention defends the absolutely indefensible.</p>
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		By: Tyler DiPietro		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/02/14/woman-arrested-by-religious-po/#comment-551022</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyler DiPietro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m totally with razib here, I hate white people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m totally with razib here, I hate white people.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/02/14/woman-arrested-by-religious-po/#comment-551021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to admit, I haven&#039;t been able to determine with any confidence whether razib is parodying or serious.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I haven&#8217;t been able to determine with any confidence whether razib is parodying or serious.  </p>
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		By: the real cmf		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/02/14/woman-arrested-by-religious-po/#comment-551020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the real cmf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Razib, you are spot on--after reading all of your posts above.

I would love for you to come to my neighborhood: that paradigm of evil white men abusing people of color &#039;and women&#039; worked for the last fifty years, and had merit ONCE UPON A TIME, but the reality ? No longer extant in day to day life outside of the Billy Bobs of Florida, etc .

&quot;white-male judgments always seem to render them the rescuers of women from the oppression of men of color,&quot;is actually valid to some extent, and evidenced most strikingly in liberal academics--despite their constant, and as you point out, western feminist incapacitated (cuckolded)perspectives.

It is the simplistic deconstructionist straw man that has occupied the minds of men who don&#039;t feel &#039;white enough&#039; of the last three decades to get some white woman booty, and this reliance of those men on angry bitter white women. Go, get some white woman booty, you can have &#039;em all....go forward, and conquer academia, with the white feminist crying bloody murder over a funny look in an elevator, while women of color are raped and dehumanized daily-- Every time I hear this distinct whine, I realize that it comes from someone in the upper class &#039;jungle&#039; of upwardly mobile academic class--an alliance of those whose lives have been spent in books.

Been to Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, or LA lately? No, I mean the real city, the part past the doorsteps of lecture halls and theaters--I can&#039;t remember one street corner from my pedestrian reality where I saw or witnessed white men abusing folks of color--that is so 1962-- but I can recount you many tales otherwise--with white apologists scrambling for cultural territory where they can express white guilt, and espouse the new subjectivity of self hating upper middle class-racism/gender-racism as it vomits out on the lower classes: it is the recreation of Victorian era white female privilege, if anything.

&quot;it isn&#039;t a matter of just liberating women.&quot; Spot on, again. It is about the failure of women here in Babylon to prove their thesis that we are a &quot;rape culture&quot;, and exporting that failed ideology--victimology-- overseas. My favorite example from the last decade, was when &quot;we&quot; went into Afghanistan, and the first headline we read about our incursion into Taliban territory is that women finally get a &#039;chance&#039; to lift their veils....as if it is a all a big Western feminist peep show;-)

Eve Ensler, et al jus&#039; love new Vaginas;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razib, you are spot on&#8211;after reading all of your posts above.</p>
<p>I would love for you to come to my neighborhood: that paradigm of evil white men abusing people of color &#8216;and women&#8217; worked for the last fifty years, and had merit ONCE UPON A TIME, but the reality ? No longer extant in day to day life outside of the Billy Bobs of Florida, etc .</p>
<p>&#8220;white-male judgments always seem to render them the rescuers of women from the oppression of men of color,&#8221;is actually valid to some extent, and evidenced most strikingly in liberal academics&#8211;despite their constant, and as you point out, western feminist incapacitated (cuckolded)perspectives.</p>
<p>It is the simplistic deconstructionist straw man that has occupied the minds of men who don&#8217;t feel &#8216;white enough&#8217; of the last three decades to get some white woman booty, and this reliance of those men on angry bitter white women. Go, get some white woman booty, you can have &#8217;em all&#8230;.go forward, and conquer academia, with the white feminist crying bloody murder over a funny look in an elevator, while women of color are raped and dehumanized daily&#8211; Every time I hear this distinct whine, I realize that it comes from someone in the upper class &#8216;jungle&#8217; of upwardly mobile academic class&#8211;an alliance of those whose lives have been spent in books.</p>
<p>Been to Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, or LA lately? No, I mean the real city, the part past the doorsteps of lecture halls and theaters&#8211;I can&#8217;t remember one street corner from my pedestrian reality where I saw or witnessed white men abusing folks of color&#8211;that is so 1962&#8211; but I can recount you many tales otherwise&#8211;with white apologists scrambling for cultural territory where they can express white guilt, and espouse the new subjectivity of self hating upper middle class-racism/gender-racism as it vomits out on the lower classes: it is the recreation of Victorian era white female privilege, if anything.</p>
<p>&#8220;it isn&#8217;t a matter of just liberating women.&#8221; Spot on, again. It is about the failure of women here in Babylon to prove their thesis that we are a &#8220;rape culture&#8221;, and exporting that failed ideology&#8211;victimology&#8211; overseas. My favorite example from the last decade, was when &#8220;we&#8221; went into Afghanistan, and the first headline we read about our incursion into Taliban territory is that women finally get a &#8216;chance&#8217; to lift their veils&#8230;.as if it is a all a big Western feminist peep show;-)</p>
<p>Eve Ensler, et al jus&#8217; love new Vaginas;-)</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Tom may have kicked Razib&#039;s ass here.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tom may have kicked Razib&#8217;s ass here.  </p>
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