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	Comments on: The Grubbs and Gibbs Memorandum:  Require A Religious Reading of the Evolutionary Record in Public Schools	</title>
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		By: iT		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Dr.&quot; David C. Gibbs, III?According to his bio &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.authorsden.com/davidcgibbs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, he has a B.S. from Jerry Falwell U., and a J.D. from Duke.Is Patriot University still handing out doctorates?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Dr.&#8221; David C. Gibbs, III?According to his bio <a href="http://www.authorsden.com/davidcgibbs" rel="nofollow nofollow" rel="nofollow">here</a>, he has a B.S. from Jerry Falwell U., and a J.D. from Duke.Is Patriot University still handing out doctorates?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MPW: That is the key of this whole document.  You can teach our kids whatever you want as long as you cover the four components of a valid world view:  Life, matter, and tome.  Oh, and God.  Don&#039;t forget god, must be in there no matter what.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPW: That is the key of this whole document.  You can teach our kids whatever you want as long as you cover the four components of a valid world view:  Life, matter, and tome.  Oh, and God.  Don&#8217;t forget god, must be in there no matter what.</p>
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		By: Buck Fugginut		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buck Fugginut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice.  Commentary on scientific standards from a fuckwad who doesn&#039;t know that &quot;specie&quot; isn&#039;t the singular of &quot;species.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.  Commentary on scientific standards from a fuckwad who doesn&#8217;t know that &#8220;specie&#8221; isn&#8217;t the singular of &#8220;species.&#8221;</p>
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		By: MPW		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MPW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;the four components of reality---god, life, matter and time&quot;Wow.  Just... wow.  That&#039;s one of the parts I didn&#039;t read.  Thanks for pointing it out, Pierce.  Huh-LARIOUS.{sings} &quot;One of these things/Is not like the other...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the four components of reality&#8212;god, life, matter and time&#8221;Wow.  Just&#8230; wow.  That&#8217;s one of the parts I didn&#8217;t read.  Thanks for pointing it out, Pierce.  Huh-LARIOUS.{sings} &#8220;One of these things/Is not like the other&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: PvM		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3084</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PvM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Note: Periodically a book so impacts me that it becomes the primary source of a sermon. That is the case this weekend. I am indebted to The Glory of Aging by &lt;b&gt;Francis W. Grubbs&lt;/b&gt;. This book is available through the Christian Law Association, P.O. Box 4010, Seminole, FL 33775-4010 orwww.ChristianLaw.org This is the organization led by &lt;b&gt;David Gibbs&lt;/b&gt;, III who spoke at Skyline a few weeks ago. If this print it too small for you to read, you need the book. (Smiling) -Jim&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Note: Periodically a book so impacts me that it becomes the primary source of a sermon. That is the case this weekend. I am indebted to The Glory of Aging by <b>Francis W. Grubbs</b>. This book is available through the Christian Law Association, P.O. Box 4010, Seminole, FL 33775-4010 orwww.ChristianLaw.org This is the organization led by <b>David Gibbs</b>, III who spoke at Skyline a few weeks ago. If this print it too small for you to read, you need the book. (Smiling) -Jim</p></blockquote>
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		By: PvM		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3083</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PvM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dr. Francis Grubbs ,&lt;blockquote&gt;Dr. Francis W. Grubbs is an educator , administrator , consultant , author , and lecturer. He has served as president of two colleges and a seminary for a quarter century , and for the past 30 years has operated an institutional consulting service for colleges , schools , health care facilities , churches , and denominations.Dr. Grubbs was raised in Nebraska and has worked with institutions in Minnesota , South Dakota , Kansas , New York , Florida , California , and Colorado. His education includes undergraduate degrees in theology and communications , his masters degree is in educational administration , and his PH.D. in the fields of education and administration. His main work has been to assist institutions to recover their missions and renew growth. He has directed the relocation of four educational institutions , he led his denomination in a successful campaign of doubling its entire constituency in a decade , and has been active in the redevelopment of several additional colleges , retirement centers , and churches.Dr. Grubbs , in addition to his work with FYI , is presently the Vice President for Advancement for a major international missionary denomination , and President of Chappel Creek Village Retirement Center and Resort in Ohio.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Books etc&lt;/b&gt;Paper: FW Grubbs A Comparative Analyses of the Effects of Regional Accreditation Upon the Church Related College - 1973 - Laurence UniversityBook: Francis W Grubbs &lt;b&gt;Lord, teach us to pray&lt;/b&gt;, St. Paul Bible College (1976)1987-1992 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.simpsonuniversity.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Simpon College&lt;/a&gt;, President, Redding Californian&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Description&lt;/b&gt;: Private, evangelical Christian, liberal arts university. Founded 1921. Affiliated with The Christian and Missionary Alliance. All evangelical Christian denominations welcome. Students represent 25 denominations.&lt;b&gt;Location&lt;/b&gt;: Redding, California&lt;/blockquote&gt;1992-1999 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cmalliance.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christian and Missionary Alliance&lt;/a&gt; Colorado Springs&lt;blockquote&gt;After many years of notable ministry in The Christian and Missionary Alliance, Dr. Francis W. Grubbs ï¿½retiredï¿½ at the close of 1999. The C&amp;MA is deeply indebted to Dr. Grubbs for the numerous ways he has served with distinction.  During the last two years Dr. Grubbs led the newly organized Division of  Advancement which was charged with the responsibility of telling the story of  what God is doing through our movement. As our story is told well we believe  needed financial support and future personnel will be provided.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Francis Grubbs ,</p>
<blockquote><p>Dr. Francis W. Grubbs is an educator , administrator , consultant , author , and lecturer. He has served as president of two colleges and a seminary for a quarter century , and for the past 30 years has operated an institutional consulting service for colleges , schools , health care facilities , churches , and denominations.Dr. Grubbs was raised in Nebraska and has worked with institutions in Minnesota , South Dakota , Kansas , New York , Florida , California , and Colorado. His education includes undergraduate degrees in theology and communications , his masters degree is in educational administration , and his PH.D. in the fields of education and administration. His main work has been to assist institutions to recover their missions and renew growth. He has directed the relocation of four educational institutions , he led his denomination in a successful campaign of doubling its entire constituency in a decade , and has been active in the redevelopment of several additional colleges , retirement centers , and churches.Dr. Grubbs , in addition to his work with FYI , is presently the Vice President for Advancement for a major international missionary denomination , and President of Chappel Creek Village Retirement Center and Resort in Ohio.</p></blockquote>
<p><b>Books etc</b>Paper: FW Grubbs A Comparative Analyses of the Effects of Regional Accreditation Upon the Church Related College &#8211; 1973 &#8211; Laurence UniversityBook: Francis W Grubbs <b>Lord, teach us to pray</b>, St. Paul Bible College (1976)1987-1992 <a href="http://www.simpsonuniversity.edu/" rel="nofollow">Simpon College</a>, President, Redding Californian</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Description</b>: Private, evangelical Christian, liberal arts university. Founded 1921. Affiliated with The Christian and Missionary Alliance. All evangelical Christian denominations welcome. Students represent 25 denominations.<b>Location</b>: Redding, California</p></blockquote>
<p>1992-1999 <a href="http://www.cmalliance.org/" rel="nofollow">Christian and Missionary Alliance</a> Colorado Springs</p>
<blockquote><p>After many years of notable ministry in The Christian and Missionary Alliance, Dr. Francis W. Grubbs ï¿½retiredï¿½ at the close of 1999. The C&#038;MA is deeply indebted to Dr. Grubbs for the numerous ways he has served with distinction.  During the last two years Dr. Grubbs led the newly organized Division of  Advancement which was charged with the responsibility of telling the story of  what God is doing through our movement. As our story is told well we believe  needed financial support and future personnel will be provided.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Jessa		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3082</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MPW - That&#039;s exactly what I was thinking.  They are obviously focusing on the ideas that they don&#039;t like and not considering the wider ramifications of what they suggest.  If you have to show competing &quot;worldviews&quot; for everything in science that does not mention a supernatural deity, science class would be a total charade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPW &#8211; That&#8217;s exactly what I was thinking.  They are obviously focusing on the ideas that they don&#8217;t like and not considering the wider ramifications of what they suggest.  If you have to show competing &#8220;worldviews&#8221; for everything in science that does not mention a supernatural deity, science class would be a total charade.</p>
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		By: Pierce R. Butler		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3081</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierce R. Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;A worldview addresses, not only the field of science, but the philosophical purview of how to identify the four components of reality. The problem here is that Florida&#039;s science standards now force upon students only one of several potential interpetive worldview systems without providing any, philosophical instruction as to how students may evaluate and distinguish between the various worldviews that inform and identify the four components of reality---god, life, matter and time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;But when G&amp;G tromp through the domains of philosophy and physics, the issue must be considered settled, right? Too bad space and energy lost out to their rivals - but at least the process was so severe that all concerned lost their capitalization.(I was going to list some spellos, but it would seem easier to urge our host to dump his OCR output into a word processor with a spell-check option...)Let us all pray that, if/when these standards come to court, Mssr. Gibbs represents the creo parties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A worldview addresses, not only the field of science, but the philosophical purview of how to identify the four components of reality. The problem here is that Florida&#8217;s science standards now force upon students only one of several potential interpetive worldview systems without providing any, philosophical instruction as to how students may evaluate and distinguish between the various worldviews that inform and identify the four components of reality&#8212;god, life, matter and time.</p></blockquote>
<p>But when G&#038;G tromp through the domains of philosophy and physics, the issue must be considered settled, right? Too bad space and energy lost out to their rivals &#8211; but at least the process was so severe that all concerned lost their capitalization.(I was going to list some spellos, but it would seem easier to urge our host to dump his OCR output into a word processor with a spell-check option&#8230;)Let us all pray that, if/when these standards come to court, Mssr. Gibbs represents the creo parties.</p>
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		By: MPW		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3080</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MPW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;the jist of their argument is that anything that is not religious is by default anti-religious and therefore unconstitutional?&quot;Of course, they themselves don&#039;t even really believe that.  I can&#039;t imagine these guys would agree that, say, the germ theory of disease has to be balanced by competing &quot;worldviews&quot; because it contradicts the religious beliefs of Christian Scientists.  Their argument only counts when their particular religious beliefs seem threatened.I only read a little of it, I confess.  Every sentence was overflowing with blatant falsehoods, dizzying leaps of logic and sloppy use of terminology.  Couldn&#039;t take much more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the jist of their argument is that anything that is not religious is by default anti-religious and therefore unconstitutional?&#8221;Of course, they themselves don&#8217;t even really believe that.  I can&#8217;t imagine these guys would agree that, say, the germ theory of disease has to be balanced by competing &#8220;worldviews&#8221; because it contradicts the religious beliefs of Christian Scientists.  Their argument only counts when their particular religious beliefs seem threatened.I only read a little of it, I confess.  Every sentence was overflowing with blatant falsehoods, dizzying leaps of logic and sloppy use of terminology.  Couldn&#8217;t take much more.</p>
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		By: Jessa		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/20/the-grubbs-and-gibbs-memorandu/#comment-3079</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geez.So the jist of their argument is that anything that is not religious is by default anti-religious and therefore unconstitutional?  It seems that they have drunk deep of the &quot;if you&#039;re not with us, you&#039;re against us&quot; Kool-Aid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez.So the jist of their argument is that anything that is not religious is by default anti-religious and therefore unconstitutional?  It seems that they have drunk deep of the &#8220;if you&#8217;re not with us, you&#8217;re against us&#8221; Kool-Aid.</p>
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