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		By: BJ		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/19/countdown-to-y2k38/#comment-3018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry Chris,#1  I used the same boxes from 1998 - 2004.   They had no problem.  So did many dozens and dozens of my clients.#2  I happen to be a professional programmer working on systems for a major Wall Street Mortgage Investment Company.  Guess that doesn&#039;t fit your important critical economy application?#3  As I said I am a professional programmer and have been in the industry since 1975.  Even today, I still work full time as a professional programmer using .NET technologies and SQL Server.#4  I owned my on computer business for 20 years where I built systems to spec and provided accounting software to some of the largest corporations.  I believe dates counted to them.#5  Yes there were tricks we used to evade the Y2K fiasco.  Smart programmers saw this and used their bag of tricks.  Laissez-faire programmers caused a problem for their employer by not acting in the 90&#039;s.#6 I&#039;m with Victor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Chris,#1  I used the same boxes from 1998 &#8211; 2004.   They had no problem.  So did many dozens and dozens of my clients.#2  I happen to be a professional programmer working on systems for a major Wall Street Mortgage Investment Company.  Guess that doesn&#8217;t fit your important critical economy application?#3  As I said I am a professional programmer and have been in the industry since 1975.  Even today, I still work full time as a professional programmer using .NET technologies and SQL Server.#4  I owned my on computer business for 20 years where I built systems to spec and provided accounting software to some of the largest corporations.  I believe dates counted to them.#5  Yes there were tricks we used to evade the Y2K fiasco.  Smart programmers saw this and used their bag of tricks.  Laissez-faire programmers caused a problem for their employer by not acting in the 90&#8217;s.#6 I&#8217;m with Victor.</p>
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		By: Pod Black		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pod Black]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have blogged this before! http://podblack.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/what-doesnt-add-up/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have blogged this before! <a href="http://podblack.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/what-doesnt-add-up/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://podblack.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/what-doesnt-add-up/</a></p>
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		By: Despard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Apophis is that big an issue any more.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Apophis is that big an issue any more.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis</a></p>
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		By: Oban		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oban]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, well, well. Too many noise around this little issue, while in 2036 a some kind of big 25-tons meteor named Apophis will potentially crash on earth and fade away any risk of computer date miscalculation two years later...How do we code April 13th 2036 in a 32 bit pointer ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well, well. Too many noise around this little issue, while in 2036 a some kind of big 25-tons meteor named Apophis will potentially crash on earth and fade away any risk of computer date miscalculation two years later&#8230;How do we code April 13th 2036 in a 32 bit pointer ?</p>
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		By: Victor DeCurtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor DeCurtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I&#039;m still alive, 30 years from today, I&#039;ll be 93, going on 94. I&#039;ll probably be drooling, wetting myself, soiling myself and generally being a nasty pain in the AZS. Now, I have something else to look forward to. Thanks a lot!&lt;:D&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m still alive, 30 years from today, I&#8217;ll be 93, going on 94. I&#8217;ll probably be drooling, wetting myself, soiling myself and generally being a nasty pain in the AZS. Now, I have something else to look forward to. Thanks a lot!<:d></:d></p>
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		By: Trevortni		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2008/01/19/countdown-to-y2k38/#comment-3013</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevortni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought New Math failed because it emphasized &quot;getting the right idea&quot; over &quot;getting the right answer.&quot;&quot;Hooray for New Math, New-ew-ew Math.It won&#039;t do you a bit of good to re- view mathIt&#039;s so simple,So very simple,That only a child can do it!&quot;- Chorus to &quot;New Math,&quot; Tom Lehrer(Contains a subtraction problem which is worked in both base 10 and base 8.Also does some subtraction wrong, &quot;but that&#039;s ok - the idea&#039;s the important thing&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought New Math failed because it emphasized &#8220;getting the right idea&#8221; over &#8220;getting the right answer.&#8221;&#8221;Hooray for New Math, New-ew-ew Math.It won&#8217;t do you a bit of good to re- view mathIt&#8217;s so simple,So very simple,That only a child can do it!&#8221;- Chorus to &#8220;New Math,&#8221; Tom Lehrer(Contains a subtraction problem which is worked in both base 10 and base 8.Also does some subtraction wrong, &#8220;but that&#8217;s ok &#8211; the idea&#8217;s the important thing&#8221;)</p>
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		By: Epistaxis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Epistaxis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[R N B, #1:&lt;blockquote&gt;Or we should start using a Hexadecimal system. Or even a base 8 system. At least start getting kids using it in school. Today they only touch upon it in higher maths. But if they started learning it in Kindergarden then even basic arithmetic becomes much easier to learn. They&#039;d still learn decimal but like a foreign language, like we learn Roman numerals, &quot;look at that inefficient counting system they used to use&quot;. But they would never want to go back. It makes sense. Seriously.&lt;/blockquote&gt;We tried that 40 years ago (50 in octal). It was called &quot;New Math,&quot; it was supposed to defeat communism, and it was a flop. Maybe it didn&#039;t have to be a flop, but my point is that not enough of those people are dead yet to try it again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R N B, #1:</p>
<blockquote><p>Or we should start using a Hexadecimal system. Or even a base 8 system. At least start getting kids using it in school. Today they only touch upon it in higher maths. But if they started learning it in Kindergarden then even basic arithmetic becomes much easier to learn. They&#8217;d still learn decimal but like a foreign language, like we learn Roman numerals, &#8220;look at that inefficient counting system they used to use&#8221;. But they would never want to go back. It makes sense. Seriously.</p></blockquote>
<p>We tried that 40 years ago (50 in octal). It was called &#8220;New Math,&#8221; it was supposed to defeat communism, and it was a flop. Maybe it didn&#8217;t have to be a flop, but my point is that not enough of those people are dead yet to try it again.</p>
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		By: Trevortni		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevortni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, we obviously can&#039;t switch over to any kind of power of 2 counting system.  Just think how embarassing that wouldbe for all those people that have been working so hard for so long to convince us that the metric system is inherently better because the math is easier.  If we suddenly switched to octal or hexadecimal, they would have to find new reasons to justify a system that leaps from too small to too big for normal uses, instead of the inherently more intuitive English system that puts all the relevant measurements at exactly the right place to be usable!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we obviously can&#8217;t switch over to any kind of power of 2 counting system.  Just think how embarassing that wouldbe for all those people that have been working so hard for so long to convince us that the metric system is inherently better because the math is easier.  If we suddenly switched to octal or hexadecimal, they would have to find new reasons to justify a system that leaps from too small to too big for normal uses, instead of the inherently more intuitive English system that puts all the relevant measurements at exactly the right place to be usable!</p>
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		By: Jim L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was using VisualStudio 2008 last week and noticed that time_t is now defined as an __int64 by using __time64_t.  Yes, this is even in 32 bit development.   This makes me happy, but I know that the software I am writing today will not be in service 30 years from today.  The market for the product that I create plans to move from C++ to C#.  It will be good to clean up the sloppy code base when we do the refactor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was using VisualStudio 2008 last week and noticed that time_t is now defined as an __int64 by using __time64_t.  Yes, this is even in 32 bit development.   This makes me happy, but I know that the software I am writing today will not be in service 30 years from today.  The market for the product that I create plans to move from C++ to C#.  It will be good to clean up the sloppy code base when we do the refactor.</p>
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		By: RDW2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BJ,&gt;Y2K was a be laugh! People chasing spooks for money.Far from it!  I was working the Y2K remediation and there were some scary scenarios that were &lt;b&gt;prevented&lt;/b&gt; by the work &lt;u&gt;I&lt;/u&gt; did . . . and I wasn&#039;t working on things that were nearly as critical as some.&gt;I never saw a single failure because of a clock error in the PC world.Golly, I guess that means that the bigger boxes and more critical applications were all safe, too, huh?  No . . . what that really means is that you had a newer computer and that you don&#039;t do much of anything that is critical to the world&#039;s economy.&gt;And, most heard of problems were caused by the programmer himself. He should be fired and &gt;replaced by a competent &gt;one.As a matter of fact, it often wasn&#039;t the programmer but the manager who made the decisions and, since many of the decisions were made in the 60&#039;s, 70&#039;s, and 80&#039;s, many of the programmers and managers were &lt;u&gt;retired&lt;/u&gt;!  However, more directly to the point of your comment, it is also obvious that you don&#039;t develop applications for a living or buy hardware for a company.Many of us who worked on Y2K remediations are all to aware of the fact that decisions were made that could soon come back to haunt us.  There were &quot;sliding windows&quot; used to determine whether something was referencing a 20th century date or a 21st century date.  Some of these, as indicated in the article, used cut-off years of 1930 or 1940; however, there were systems that I helped remediate where management made the decision that the cut-off date would be 1920, 1960, 1980, or even 1990.  As was shown during Y2K, code lingers as long as it works and I wonder how much of the code with cut-off dates of 1940 will still be around when it starts impacting the businesses . . . 2 more years and mortgages will start crossing that boundary.Chris Y.,Good on ya&#039;, Mate!  If you had as much &quot;fun&quot; as I did, you worked some long hours! ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BJ,>Y2K was a be laugh! People chasing spooks for money.Far from it!  I was working the Y2K remediation and there were some scary scenarios that were <b>prevented</b> by the work <u>I</u> did . . . and I wasn&#8217;t working on things that were nearly as critical as some.>I never saw a single failure because of a clock error in the PC world.Golly, I guess that means that the bigger boxes and more critical applications were all safe, too, huh?  No . . . what that really means is that you had a newer computer and that you don&#8217;t do much of anything that is critical to the world&#8217;s economy.>And, most heard of problems were caused by the programmer himself. He should be fired and >replaced by a competent >one.As a matter of fact, it often wasn&#8217;t the programmer but the manager who made the decisions and, since many of the decisions were made in the 60&#8217;s, 70&#8217;s, and 80&#8217;s, many of the programmers and managers were <u>retired</u>!  However, more directly to the point of your comment, it is also obvious that you don&#8217;t develop applications for a living or buy hardware for a company.Many of us who worked on Y2K remediations are all to aware of the fact that decisions were made that could soon come back to haunt us.  There were &#8220;sliding windows&#8221; used to determine whether something was referencing a 20th century date or a 21st century date.  Some of these, as indicated in the article, used cut-off years of 1930 or 1940; however, there were systems that I helped remediate where management made the decision that the cut-off date would be 1920, 1960, 1980, or even 1990.  As was shown during Y2K, code lingers as long as it works and I wonder how much of the code with cut-off dates of 1940 will still be around when it starts impacting the businesses . . . 2 more years and mortgages will start crossing that boundary.Chris Y.,Good on ya&#8217;, Mate!  If you had as much &#8220;fun&#8221; as I did, you worked some long hours! 😉</p>
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