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		By: Kristjan Wager		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristjan Wager]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, Jul (or Yule) was not the holiday of Wotan/Odin. It was the holiday of Frey who was a left-over from an older and more peaceful religion (together with his sister Freya and father Njord).

The celebration marked the end of the year, and it was (and still is) traditional to eat pork roast, as the pig was Frey&#039;s holy animal, and eating it on the last day of the year, would bring luck and a bountiful harvest the next year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Jul (or Yule) was not the holiday of Wotan/Odin. It was the holiday of Frey who was a left-over from an older and more peaceful religion (together with his sister Freya and father Njord).</p>
<p>The celebration marked the end of the year, and it was (and still is) traditional to eat pork roast, as the pig was Frey&#8217;s holy animal, and eating it on the last day of the year, would bring luck and a bountiful harvest the next year.</p>
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		By: Monado in Toronto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monado in Toronto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wotan wants his holiday back.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wotan wants his holiday back.  🙂</p>
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		By: arensb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[arensb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jane:
&lt;blockquote&gt;consider how I&#039;m familiar with X (and also the chi-rho, and IHC)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Chi-rho is not a city in Egypt :-)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jane:</p>
<blockquote><p>consider how I&#8217;m familiar with X (and also the chi-rho, and IHC)</p></blockquote>
<p>Chi-rho is not a city in Egypt 🙂</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike:  Yes and no.  Ad copy is not held by any standards, really, but political punditry can be criticized if it ignores real things.  The true irony is not in his statement, but of his statement. He missed a chance.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:  Yes and no.  Ad copy is not held by any standards, really, but political punditry can be criticized if it ignores real things.  The true irony is not in his statement, but of his statement. He missed a chance.  </p>
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		By: Mike from Ottawa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike from Ottawa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Roland does not know that Xmas is actually a standard way to write Christmas by those who wish to pay hommage to the early Greek scriptures, or who wish to not take The Lord&#039;s name in vain by writing it out.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

In North America, &quot;Xmas&quot; is mostly in advertisements, flyers and commercial signs.  I don&#039;t think any of these are choosing Xmas out of homage to Greek scriptures or desire to avoid using the name of Christ out of respect.  Martin&#039;s remark retains it&#039;s irony since he&#039;s doubtless a big fan of the capitalism that has turned Christmas into an orgy of physical materialism (as opposed to philosophical).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Roland does not know that Xmas is actually a standard way to write Christmas by those who wish to pay hommage to the early Greek scriptures, or who wish to not take The Lord&#8217;s name in vain by writing it out.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>In North America, &#8220;Xmas&#8221; is mostly in advertisements, flyers and commercial signs.  I don&#8217;t think any of these are choosing Xmas out of homage to Greek scriptures or desire to avoid using the name of Christ out of respect.  Martin&#8217;s remark retains it&#8217;s irony since he&#8217;s doubtless a big fan of the capitalism that has turned Christmas into an orgy of physical materialism (as opposed to philosophical).</p>
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		By: Teenage Lobotomy		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2007/12/21/roland-martin-sorry-to-offend/#comment-550602</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teenage Lobotomy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[flower child?

500mic of hoffmans potion the bro will really see gawd.

then play his laugh-in dvd and become the electomagnetic
negro, here come the da judge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flower child?</p>
<p>500mic of hoffmans potion the bro will really see gawd.</p>
<p>then play his laugh-in dvd and become the electomagnetic<br />
negro, here come the da judge.</p>
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		By: Ba'al		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ba'al]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Never expect wingnut Christians to know anything about the early history of their church and the prolonged evolution and struggles of various competing Christologies; and how good old fashioned imperial power politics eventually converged on one.

Idiots indeed.

And all this about someone whose historicity is about as knowable as that of King Arthur.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never expect wingnut Christians to know anything about the early history of their church and the prolonged evolution and struggles of various competing Christologies; and how good old fashioned imperial power politics eventually converged on one.</p>
<p>Idiots indeed.</p>
<p>And all this about someone whose historicity is about as knowable as that of King Arthur.</p>
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		By: clheiny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clheiny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems hypocritical for Roland to whine about taking Christ Out Of Christmas when Christians themselves took the Wooden Phallus Off Of Osiris, whose rebirth celebrations were a winter solstice tradition for thousands of years before they were stomped out in christianity&#039;s War On Ra.

I&#039;ll believe he&#039;s dedicated to traditional values when he starts building a pyramid and his wife daubs her eyes with charred frankincense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems hypocritical for Roland to whine about taking Christ Out Of Christmas when Christians themselves took the Wooden Phallus Off Of Osiris, whose rebirth celebrations were a winter solstice tradition for thousands of years before they were stomped out in christianity&#8217;s War On Ra.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll believe he&#8217;s dedicated to traditional values when he starts building a pyramid and his wife daubs her eyes with charred frankincense.</p>
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		By: ema		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ema]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I find it highly amusing that the degree he&#039;s pursuing is &quot;Christian communications&quot;, whatever that&#039;s supposed to mean.&lt;/i&gt;

Heh, can you say &quot;propaganda.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I find it highly amusing that the degree he&#8217;s pursuing is &#8220;Christian communications&#8221;, whatever that&#8217;s supposed to mean.</i></p>
<p>Heh, can you say &#8220;propaganda.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Dan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I loved this gripe of Roland&#039;s:
&lt;blockquote&gt;What the heck are &quot;Seasons Greetings&quot;? Can someone tell me what season we are greeting folks about?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and say &lt;b&gt;winter&lt;/b&gt;.  

The funny thing is, while going through some of my late grandmother&#039;s things many years back, I recall more than a few glittery old cards with the words &quot;Seasons Greetings&quot; printed on them.  

I also recall hearing &quot;Happy Holidays&quot; at least once a year for as long as my memory serves.  

The thing that genuinely annoys me, Greg, is that some of these Christian creatures have this odd, innate desire to feel persecuted as though it&#039;s going to give their beliefs some sort of legitimacy.  They contrive these attacks upon their faith when none exist.  

I think the best thing to do to them, and the easiest way to deal with all this insignificant outrage of theirs is to simply laugh in their faces when they try to spread this nonsense.     ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this gripe of Roland&#8217;s:</p>
<blockquote><p>What the heck are &#8220;Seasons Greetings&#8221;? Can someone tell me what season we are greeting folks about?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb and say <b>winter</b>.  </p>
<p>The funny thing is, while going through some of my late grandmother&#8217;s things many years back, I recall more than a few glittery old cards with the words &#8220;Seasons Greetings&#8221; printed on them.  </p>
<p>I also recall hearing &#8220;Happy Holidays&#8221; at least once a year for as long as my memory serves.  </p>
<p>The thing that genuinely annoys me, Greg, is that some of these Christian creatures have this odd, innate desire to feel persecuted as though it&#8217;s going to give their beliefs some sort of legitimacy.  They contrive these attacks upon their faith when none exist.  </p>
<p>I think the best thing to do to them, and the easiest way to deal with all this insignificant outrage of theirs is to simply laugh in their faces when they try to spread this nonsense.     </p>
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