Health Scientists Need Slap Upside the Head
Published by Greg October 9th, 2007 in Education, Presidential Election, Politics, CommentaryAcademics tend to be liberal, this we all know. But it is interesting to contemplate the finer details of this association. When we do so, we discover some interesting differences among different kinds of academics, and one group in particular — “Health Scientists” — can be singled out as bucking the trend. Indeed, if Health Scientists were not allowed to vote in the last election, but all else was held constant, it is likely that John Kerry, not George Bush, would be president today
A recently released Working Paper by Neil Gross and Salon Simmons
This study differs from earlier work in that the methodology is improved in ways that the study’s authors argue (convincingly) to be important (see pages 21-25 of their report). Here, I reproduce a selection of tables from their study. Most of these results are not at all surprising, but are nonetheless meaningful. Other results are understandable yet perhaps somewhat disturbing.
A description of the study sample is beyond the scope of this humble blog post, but suffice it to say that this represents college teachers working in programs that offer undergraduate degrees. An overview of the sample indicates a liberal bias:
| Political orientation | Percent |
| Extremely liberal | 9.4 |
| Liberal | 34.7 |
| Slightly liberal | 18.1 |
| Middle of the road | 18.0 |
| Slightly conservative | 10.5 |
| Conservative | 8.0 |
| Very conservative | 1.22 |
To simplify: Although about one in five college profs are “middle of the road,” 62% are liberal and 20% are conservative. To put this in some context, a recent nationwide Washington Post-ABC News Poll
The following table gives the L - M - C spread for different academic areas. Not surprisingly, the most liberal are the social sciences and humanities (and Other, of course). The Physical and Biological sciences are most representative of the sample overall. It is also not surprising that Business shows up as most conservative, but with a very high proportion of “Moderate” respondents. I’m a little surprised that the “Conservative” category for business is not larger.
The next most conservative group is “Health Sciences.” This sample does not include professors of medicine … they are not teaching college students, but rather, post-graduates and MD’s. According to the report, Health Sciences “in our sample means mostly professors of nursing.”
| Field | Liberal | Moderate | Conservative |
| Phys/bio sciences | 45.2 | 47.0 | 7.8 |
| Social sciences | 58.2 | 36.9 | 4.9 |
| Humanities | 52.2 | 44.3 | 3.6 |
| Comp sci/engineering | 10.7 | 78.0 | 11.3 |
| Health sciences | 20.5 | 59.0 | 20.5 |
| Other | 53.4 | 35.9 | 10.7 |
| Business | 21.3 | 54.3 | 24.5 |
| Total | 43.5 | 47.1 | 9.4 |
The conservative nature of nursing professors and business professors may be explained by, or at least linked to, this next tabulation:
| Institution type | Liberal | Moderate | Conservative |
| Community college | 37.1 | 43.9 | 19.0 |
| BA, non liberal arts | 38.8 | 48.5 | 12.7 |
| Liberal arts | 61.0 | 35.1 | 3.9 |
| Non elite, PhD | 44.3 | 51.9 | 3.8 |
| Elite, PhD | 56.6 | 33.1 | 10.2 |
| Total | 44.1 | 46.6 | 9.3 |
There is a general trend of conservative to liberal as one goes from community college through more elaborate “higher-level” institutions on to the PhD University type programs. This may reflect an overall trend we see in other contexts of education level and liberalism, which could be interpreted as a link between overall intelligence and liberalism (liberals being smarter, on average). However, we should not overlook the linkage between in-group and out-group effects and the culture of liberalism. Hiring and tenure within any given institutional framework is linked as much to cultural factors as it is to ability and performance. I once actually witnessed a tenured professor deciding to support a particular candidate based on his answer to this series of questions:
“When you have a drink, what do you drink” (Answer: Martini, of course.)
“Dry?” (Answer: Yes, of course.)
“Gin or Vodka?” (Answer: Vodka, of course.)]
“Very good. But, what brand of Vodka?” (Answer: I do not recall the answer. By this time I was busy gagging.)
One might wonder about the apparent reversal in the above mentioned trend when shifting from “non-Elite” to “Elite” programs. This is in fact difficult to account for, and the study’s authors attribute it to a trend, with the presumption that the “Elites” lead (or at least, that is how I read the report … it is a little vague in this area). The authors also site the role of liberal arts colleges on the liberal landscape as important.
Consider reformulating the data as follows: From Community College to Elite we find Liberal and Moderate combined to follow the sequence 81,87,96,96,90, with the most “non-conservative” being the Liberal Arts and Non-Elite institutions. (Or, more exactly, professors with said affiliation.) This is in accord with the idea that hiring practices involving consideration of political orientation rather than, say, teaching ability or pure research ability help shape the political character of these institutions. Yet another consideration is that the “Elite” institutions probably include a higher percentage of relatively wealthy individuals. This is not because you get paid more to work at the “Elite” institutions. This is often, in fact, not the case. However, there may be a culture of hiring and tenure in the Elite institutions that incorporates in-group vs. out-group effects that are not based on politics as much as they are on social factors that correlate with wealth. Wealth, in turn, correlates even among the academic elite with conservatism (maybe).
Now, consider party affiliation:
| Party Affiliation | Percent |
| Strong Democrat | 32.4 |
| Weak Democrat | 18.6 |
| Independent-Democrat | 19.8 |
| Independent | 8.5 |
| Independent-Republican | 7.0 |
| Weak Republican | 8.7 |
| Strong Republican | 5.0 |
Remember that the Liberal - Moderate - Conservative spectrum (above) was 62 - 18 - 20. Assume that the corresponding Party Affiliation Spectrum would be Democratic - Independent - Republican, where Indy-Dems and Indy-Rep’s will be placed with the nominal party. This produces the following statistic: 71 - 8 - 21. By adding “Independent Republican” into “Independent” we get, essentially, a replica of the Liberal - Moderate - Conservative spectrum. This confirms what has always been suspected: Moderate independents are conservative.
The following table is the reported voting pattern for this group in the last presidential election:
| Kerry | Bush | Nader | Other | |
| Phys/bio sciences | 77.4 | 20.8 | 0.9 | 0.9 |
| Social sciences | 87.6 | 6.2 | 1.8 | 4.4 |
| Humanities | 83.7 | 15.0 | 0.0 | 1.3 |
| Comp sci/engineering | 61.9 | 33.3 | 0.0 | 4.8 |
| Health sciences | 48.1 | 51.9 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
| Business | 65.4 | 32.1 | 2.6 | 0.0 |
| Other | 81.6 | 17.5 | 0.3 | 0.6 |
| Total | 77.6 | 20.4 | 0.5 | 1.5 |
This roughly mirrors the statistics for political affiliation. Here we see that the Health Sciences (Nursing) did marginally prefer Bush over Kerry. Does this imply that Nursing professionals or instructors have a view of the health care system and potential reform that runs counter to the idea of Universal Health Care? Or is this because most Nursing instructors are in the less-educated group (Masters Degrees)? One thing I suspect is this: Socially, culturally, there is a “metagroup” of nursing professionals and business professionals that internally divides itself into those two professions. I predict that if you look at the demographics of these two groups there will be considerable overlap, reflecting the idea that they are really one and the same cultural/social class, by and large. Why do I say that? This is nothing other than raw ethnographic observation, so don’t take it too seriously without further confirmation.
I find it fascinating that a relatively large percentage of the Business group voted for Nader, with the second largest group being the Social Sciences. I’m not surprised that some of the social science people chose to throw away their vote even if the consequences would be (and were) dire. Note that this group also has a relatively high percentage of “Other” candidates. But the business group going for Nader seems to me enigmatic. The authors of the study are silent on this issue. Perhaps they are dumbstruck, which is a reasonable response.
On a local note, we also see that Computer Science and Engineering voted in relatively high proportion for “Other.” My guess is that this subset … subculture … with relatively high geekiosity measures overlaps considerably with the large non-voting population that occassinally comes out of the woodwork and actually does vote, as happened here in Minnesota when Jesse Ventura was elected governor. He was voted into office mostly by male non-voters ranging in age from 20-40 or so … people who had never voted before (and likely, since). Interestingly, 96 percent of the respondents in this survey reported having voted in the last election. My prediction is that much of that 4% is among the Engineers.
The present discussion is a very cursory overview, just looking at the first-order analysis provided by these tables of percentages. The original study, of course, carries out more detailed analysis including regression models of various factors, and has much more to say. I recommend reading it. The conclusion of Gross and Simmons study is simple: The nature and character of political attitudes and actions among academics is more complex than previous studies have indicated.
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Sorry, but a real martini is made with gin, not vodka. Anyone who answers otherwise watches too many bond movies. And the correct answer for brand of gin is Bombay Saphire.
RPM: I’m sure you are right. As for me, I only drink martinis that taste as much like milk shakes as possible.
yuck. Martini’s….Dean, Sammy, Ol’ Blue Eyes; Marilyn, Liz…..bunch of war whores….
You maybe think all of that Health Sciences ( like the Business ’science’ folks too?) conservativism is rooted in the holy temple of the AMA, and the Almighty insurance companies ? Worshipping at the holy temple of “steady employment” rather than “sound philosophy”?
CMF: Yes, or just getting constant bombardment of rhetoric from said companies.
My guess is that political affiliation is tied to family income. (the higher the income, the more conservative) Nurses with masters degrees are highly paid in non-academic and academic settings. I believe their spouses are on the higher end of the pay scale also.
JL: That fits well with the concept that business and nursing folks are culturally overlapping or similar.
NEWSPEAK seems to be prefaced with this type of thinking, and the corporatizing, privateering of fundamental goods, human rights, or basic services(services subsidized by gov’t doles of taxpayer dollars to dug companies).
Nursing, and the accompanying professions–and forgive me if I offend any nurses ( I have enjoyed the pleasant company and care of some remarkable nurses in my time on earth), seem to be rooted in the most elementary facts of human biology, from the butt up, without much concern for the cognitive functions of that same human organism at the apex of the ass
(presuming each corner of said ass is one of three points…) unless they are psychiatric nurses , and even then most of them seem sadly sold on corporate psych-drug pushing today.
Not much discussion from those folks about social theory, relative need structures, Nietszche, Foucault, or any other scientific, or philosophical basis. A sort of strictly physical set of descriptors would seem to be what define their worlds–that and often a mystical god waiting at the end of the great mysteries after life that medicine cannot medicate or cure….
Maybe it would be safe to assume that nurses marry someone who makes enuf money to afford health care, or who looks at life through the limited lens of “food, money, shelter, health care” for those I knock up or get knocked up by, until death?
So they would in essence, be natural pawns and later, mouthpieces for the drug/insurace company rhetoric–and corporatism.
This is good data but and as always especially in the health care industry its all based on biased views and non accurate statistics.