30 thoughts on “President Resigns!

    1. Either that BBD, or simply another of the barely literate bigots who believe what Trump says he’s doing instead of looking at reality.

      I’m voting for a healthy dose of stupidity too, due to the belief (shown in other posts) that the USSR is still a thing. Referring to “MAOISTS” as if they exist is also a clue of delusional status.

    2. I’ve read a million miles of subliterate drivel but this goon is not a native English speaker. And he won’t admit it, which fucks him royally IMO. Remember the diversionary shitbomb on the other thread when asked again about this? Billy boy has something to hide.

    3. “… not a native English speaker. ” 🙁

      “And he won’t admit it, …” Such a thing is very unusual. People with integrity are usually clear if there are shortcomings in their own communication and try to explain promptly why, for the betterment of continuing dialogue, wether it’s not being fluent, experience ( usually age ),
      literacy, or perhaps even a miss typed key or common spelling mistake.

    1. “Everything the leftists tough turns to crap. ”

      I think the um, the general trend towards more equitable civil societies works against this thesis.
      You ain’t the clearest thinker in the genre’s you choose to write about.
      Smacks of D_K.
      Fucking knobjockey.

    2. “You ain’t the clearest thinker in the genre’s you choose to write about.
      Smacks of D_K.”
      Lol Says me!
      I’m carrying on about USA legal stuff to Greg, further down, and I know fuck all about the subject.
      I’m likely rather D_K myself at times.
      I do try but.

    3. BBD, False equivalence and conflation are the biggest things I find in most ( not all ) climate change deniers and bigots writings. It’s hard work reading my way through them. It’s like a thick fog of conflation.

  1. Nixon resigned, Ford became president and pardoned Nixon. Ford wasn’t reelected, and the pardon may have hurt him.

    The obvious question is, how would this play out today with Trump and Pence in the roles of Nixon and Ford? My quick answer is that if Trump saw no way out, he would eventually resign. He claims that he never settles the lawsuits he’s been involved in. In fact, when he has no way of avoiding a loss, he settles. Here the settlement is resignation.

    I think Pence would be in trouble no matter what he did. If he didn’t pardon Trump, he’d lose Trump’s base. If he pardoned Trump, many voters would find it difficult to forgive his adoring looks and sycophantic nods. I don’t think Pence has a powerful base of his own.

    1. I don’t think Pence has a powerful base of his own.

      Pence is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Koch Industries (you can easily verify this, but if you want a detailed account of the extent of the Koch Network’s influence and Pence’s compromised role therein, I’d strongly recommend reading Jane Mayer’s Dark Money.

    2. Nixon, who was an ass, carried out a fairly low level crime (obstruction) but acted in a way utterly disdainful to democracy. He would have been thrown out of office, and maybe or maybe not charged with the crime.

      Trump has apparently carried out a very large number of high level crimes at the state and federal level. He can’t be pardoned by Pence for much of it. He is going to be charged once he leaves office.

      I’m not actually confident of convictions. First, as we are seeing now in Virginia, Republican judges have no problem biasing juries to acquit the Russian-Republican Conspiracy defendant. Second, since 35% or so of Americans think Trump is their god, it will be hard to get a jury of 12 without at least one of those traitors on it.

    3. “Republican judges”

      ! ???
      Ummmmmm
      Woah up. Woah. Woah. Woah. There’s a little fucking thing called separation of powers. There’s also a little fucking thing called Canon’s.
      Not being confident of convictions is one thing.
      It actually sounds like you are not completely confident in institutions at the moment. There may or may not be a real genuine basis to this inconfidence.
      Would you like to see an audit carried out?
      Isn’t the judicial system self auditing to high degree of competency?
      If it’s not, which dickheads designed the fucking thing?
      Or, you are verging on conspiracy thinking, which isn’t healthy.

    4. “Second, since 35% or so of Americans think Trump is their god, it will be hard to get a jury of 12 without at least one of those traitors on it.”
      Um. Bloody heck! Juries are composed of adults who must follow rules. They are heavily advised about which evidence to take on board in their deliberations.
      Interestingly though and sort of laterally shifting, there was a great case in Australia ( from Perth from memory )
      where a member of the legal community was in the shit legally , but because everyone in that community knew him, interstate legal mob had to be involved, to avoid even the slightest appearance that something might be untoward. Public confidence in the system is very important.

    5. Maybe its time for a To Kill a mockingbird re-read. There was something askew about the jury…

      Miss Jean Louise. Stand up. Your father’s passing.
      God damn that’s shit hot writing, in the context of what was written previously to it.
      8 little words, that if they wernt in the book wouldn’t have affected the plot at all. Extraneous yet somehow intrinsic.
      Yep. Time for a re-read.

    6. Sorry to VERY off topic Greg but I wish to write this.
      I was sitting in a sort of reverie after the post above thinking about how damn good the writing in TKAM is and something sorta seeped up from the subconscious and made me literally cough and splutter a bit. I wanna write this…
      Yaxley-Lennon you are a devious fucking arsehole.
      Fuck you.

      Um, American readers might not know what I’m on about but UK readers will.
      I’ve never ever thought of the cocksucker as anything more than an
      an absolute cretin. Not smart enough to be devious. What sort of moron goes out of their way to get locked up ? Just a moron.
      Damn.

    7. I’m not actually confident of convictions. First, as we are seeing now in Virginia, Republican judges have no problem biasing juries to acquit the Russian-Republican Conspiracy defendant. Second, since 35% or so of Americans think Trump is their god, it will be hard to get a jury of 12 without at least one of those traitors on it.

      This is the sign that US democracy and jurisprudence are of the brink of destruction. I frequently wonder how much of this strategy to brazen it out with these outrageous behaviours comes from advice from Russia and backers of the GOP like Brietbart and the Mercers. There is so much practiced psychological manipulation involved, so much patently unethical and criminal activity that a reasonable person would flinch from participating, that I can only understand this in the light of a deliberate program to use democracy to destroy democracy.

      In a reasonable world a criminal like Trump would be removed within days of his bad behaviour (or not elected in the first place…) and he would spend many years in prison. In the US you have a situation where he outrageously enriches himself and his friends and family and the GOP dosn’t even blink – can you imagine the hysterical screaming that would have occurred had Obama or Clinton carried on in the same manner?!

    8. BBD
      In a comment to the post, Donald Trump is bad. How bad is he?,
      http://gregladen.com/blog/2018/07/30/donald-trump-is-bad-how-bad-is-he/#comment-601362
      I mentioned that a number of the most prominent figures in Trump’s administration, including Pence, were Koch products. Pence is also tied to Evangelicals. Still, he had become so unpopular in Indiana that if had run for reelection, he probably would have lost. Trump was his life boat and by siding with Trump on issues that go against Koch interests, he may have lost Koch support. I don’t see Pence as being in a strong position.

      This should interest you:
      https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-vs-koch-is-a-custody-battle-over-congress

    9. Greg
      Yes, Pence would only be able to pardon Trump for federal crimes (something I overlooked), which could make a federal pardon somewhat meaningless. I’m a bit more sanguine about state convictions than you because I think the prosecutors will be able to present incontrovertible evidence for illegal financial dealings that even jurors who voted for Trump will find repulsive. One of the battlegrounds would be New York, not exactly Trump country.

    10. I wouldn’t mind seeing evidence of the
      beak attempting ( and succeeding? ) to bias a jury? Are there records around of what he or she said/wrote to the jury? And some type of evidence the jury utilized that bias in their deliberations?
      Why do you think as you do Greg?
      What information have you got that led you to your conclusion?
      I’m asking you to validate your perspective that you shared with your readers. So it has some sort of substance. Rather than just words on screen.
      I don’t disbelieve you but it’s a pretty far out there thing, ya gotta admit.
      Some room packed with some pretty fine minds I’m guessing with possibly hundreds of man years ( sorry ladies reading , I’m not sure if there is another term for that )of experience and none of em went
      ” Hoy yer honour, ya can’t be sayin that. Where did ya get ya judgin licence? Out of a weetbix box?”
      I hope you understand my sceptical attitude. I think it’s a reasonable attitude to have till ya give us more.

    11. “This is the sign that US democracy and jurisprudence are of the brink of destruction.”
      Er. With great respect, if and it remains a big IF, a beak or even a few beaks did this AND got away with it ( seems a touch unlikely if there’s enough evidence to convince the rather scientifically minded Greg, but it remains to be seen if there is any),
      that seriously SERIOUSLY dosnt equate to the start of the brink of destruction of USA law.
      Fuck me, if the system is that insecure, it was never secure in the first place, and seeing as the biggest mob of crazy crazy shit has happened in the last couple of hundred years and the system is still there it seems unlikely in the extreme to be on the edge of destruction now. Fucking nukes are a much bigger threat to American law than a few corrupt judges. The system would never have made it this far if that’s all it took.
      As to destruction of democracy, it dosnt really apply because there’s separation of powers. Democracy could be non existent but there could still be a judicial system that follows it’s own rules. Do ya see what I mean? I’m reading your words and they seem a touch hyperbolic. I’m not trying to be snarky when I say that.
      I’m most certainly hyperbolic at times too.
      Greg printing up some words ( reflecting reality or not ) don’t equate to a harbinger of destruction of
      fuck all, I reckon.
      If flaws in a system get picked up, as Greg claims to have, they get rectified and the system gets stronger.
      Boy ya really hanging out there with this one Greg! It’s up to you to provide some evidence so the juriswhatsit system can be saved!

    12. Fuck me, if the system is that insecure, it was never secure in the first place…

      And therein lies the rub. Ask yourself how many black/Hispanic/native people are doing time for minor crimes. Ask yourself how many white white-collar criminals are doing time for major financial crimes or similar…

      The myth of a robust US egalitarianism is just that – a myth. The question is whether the curtain can be maintained across the stage, or if it’s going to fall and reveal the deceptions behind.

    13. Brilliant.
      I don’t mind conceding the idea of robustness. Cuz, like you say, to many people it’s always been broken in USA.
      That’s the type of retort that floats my boat. Nice one Bernard J.

  2. The BillyR bot is definitely showing signs of a significant malfunction. It is probably a holiday in St. Petersburg and its minders are not updating his algorithms to keep up with the changing landscape. Oh well. But I bet BillyR snaps back to “normalcy” within a few days. Stay tuned.

  3. Bernard J

    The myth of a robust US egalitarianism is just that – a myth. The question is whether the curtain can be maintained across the stage, or if it’s going to fall and reveal the deceptions behind.

    Aye. And if more Americans bothered to read the likes of Oliver Stone’s (wounded during service in Vietnam which campaign itself is a cautionary tale of American fair mindedness) ‘Untold History of the United States’ , also available as a documentary on DVD (but the book is better) then more level many heads would be.

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